EP2403742A1 - Verfahren zum betreiben eines hydraulischen oder pneumatischen systems - Google Patents
Verfahren zum betreiben eines hydraulischen oder pneumatischen systemsInfo
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- EP2403742A1 EP2403742A1 EP11703827A EP11703827A EP2403742A1 EP 2403742 A1 EP2403742 A1 EP 2403742A1 EP 11703827 A EP11703827 A EP 11703827A EP 11703827 A EP11703827 A EP 11703827A EP 2403742 A1 EP2403742 A1 EP 2403742A1
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- B—PERFORMING OPERATIONS; TRANSPORTING
- B60—VEHICLES IN GENERAL
- B60T—VEHICLE BRAKE CONTROL SYSTEMS OR PARTS THEREOF; BRAKE CONTROL SYSTEMS OR PARTS THEREOF, IN GENERAL; ARRANGEMENT OF BRAKING ELEMENTS ON VEHICLES IN GENERAL; PORTABLE DEVICES FOR PREVENTING UNWANTED MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES; VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS TO FACILITATE COOLING OF BRAKES
- B60T10/00—Control or regulation for continuous braking making use of fluid or powdered medium, e.g. for use when descending a long slope
- B60T10/02—Control or regulation for continuous braking making use of fluid or powdered medium, e.g. for use when descending a long slope with hydrodynamic brake
Definitions
- the invention relates to a method for operating a hydraulic or pneumatic system, with the features defined in more detail in the preamble of claim 1.
- Pneumatic and / or hydraulic systems with storage devices and corresponding valves are known from the general state of the art. Frequently, such systems also include sensors and / or devices that allow to detect a pressure in the system and / or the position of the position of the valve device.
- Such a system is known for example from DE 10 2004 059 835 AI.
- Typical of such compressed air systems is that they have a pressure accumulator, which is charged according to the driving condition of a compressor according to a form.
- a method of monitoring a brake torque change of a retarder will be described.
- the brake torque change is controlled by a control pressure control loop with a pressure sensor installed therein.
- the time course of the setting pressure of the retarder is recorded dynamically, this course being compared with a predetermined desired course.
- a warning message is output when predetermined criteria are met and / or future switching on of the retarder is prevented.
- Pressure control circuit operated.
- the pressure control loop exists
- CONFIRMATION COPY typically from the valve, which forms the actuator of the control loop, a controlled system, for example, the adjoining the actuator volume, and a sensor for returning the measured controlled variable and a controller for balancing the difference between the reference variable and the measured controlled variable.
- the present invention is based on the object to avoid the disadvantages mentioned above and to provide sizes without additional sensors, which can be used to optimize the control and / or the diagnosis of errors.
- this object is achieved by a method with the in
- the inventive method for operating a hydraulic or pneumatic system determined based on a simulation of the detected values of the two sensors, a value for the pressure on the pressure accumulator opposite side of the valve device.
- This pressure which ultimately represents the control pressure for a pressure control with the valve device as an actuator can be determined in the inventive manner, without that in the area in which the pressure is to be regulated, a corresponding pressure sensor is present.
- certain pressure value can therefore be used to monitor the functionality of the optional control pressure sensor.
- Pressure sensor detected pressure value can then be used to diagnose a fault or failure of the control pressure sensor.
- a further operation of the pressure control is still possible, since then takes the place of the detected by the control pressure sensor pressure value of the specific pressure value according to the inventive method and the control can continue to take place.
- the control pressure sensor pressure value of the specific pressure value can continue to take place.
- the control pressure sensor pressure sensor can continue to take place.
- a longer period occurring deviation of the specific value of the detected value of the control pressure sensor for example due to a signal drift of
- Signal pressure sensor which may occur due to temperature or due to aging of the sensor, can be detected by a corresponding comparison with the determined according to the method of the invention pressure values. Then a calibration or adjustment of the value of the control pressure sensor is possible without the regular operation of the system must be interrupted for this purpose.
- Monitor signal pressure sensor and compensate for any occurring deviations or recalibrate this.
- it allows in case of failure of the control pressure sensor or if in an alternative system already in the construction of the same on the
- Signal pressure sensor has been omitted to allow safe reliable and high quality pressure control. This can be in the last-mentioned manner provide a correspondingly cost-effective system, which nevertheless guarantees safe and reliable functionality.
- the inventive method can be used in any hydraulic or pneumatic systems in which a corresponding pressure control with high quality and / or with minimal use of components to be ensured.
- the structure is particularly suitable for operating a compressed air system in a vehicle, in particular in a commercial vehicle, since this is a reliable functionality with minimal costs and with appropriate
- Variants of the system of minimal effort in terms of built-in sensors is of particular advantage.
- Compressed air system of a vehicle is very often the system, which is at least indirectly necessary for the actuation of the brakes, so that in this case a high requirement for the safety of the system must be ensured.
- it can then be ensured in such systems with an existing signal pressure sensor that its functionality can be safely and reliably monitored during operation, and that a
- Figure 1 is a highly schematic representation of a hydraulic or
- pneumatic system which can be operated by a method according to the invention
- Figure 2 is a schematic representation of a first embodiment of
- Figure 3 is a schematic representation of a second embodiment of
- FIG. 1 shows a highly schematic representation of a pneumatic or hydraulic system 1. Without the invention thereby being restricted to pneumatic systems, the exemplary system in FIG. 1 will be described below as a pneumatic system 1, wherein the invention
- Embodiment of any person skilled in analog can be applied to a hydraulic system.
- the pneumatic system of Figure 1 consists essentially of a
- the payload system 4 in particular a structure of
- control or controllable valve device 3 signal pressure f a corresponding flow, for example a
- a working fluid such as oil
- a hydrodynamic retarder or the pilot control of a control valve for example via a control piston.
- other working media such as water in particular
- the utility system 4 should not be limited to such applications, it could be realized any other conceivable applications in the payload system, which are controlled according to the provided via the valve means 3 control pressure / ⁇ accordingly.
- a pressure sensor 5 for the pressure in the pressure accumulator 2 and a sensor 6 for detecting a position of the
- Valve device 3 Both sensors can be designed as conventional sensors. However, alternative options are also conceivable in which the corresponding values are recorded only indirectly. This can be done in particular in the case of the valve device 3 in that the valve device 3 is designed as a digital valve device which only knows the states open and closed. Then, via an appropriate electronics in the Control of the valve device 3 of this state or provided for the valve device 3 actuator current Is t are detected, so that indirectly the corresponding position of the valve device 3 is known, without the need for a hardware realized sensor would be necessary.
- the term sensor for the sensors 5, 6 should therefore not only include hardware sensors, but is also representative of an alternative detection of
- the two sensors 5, 6 correspond to a control device 7, which comprises a control electronics, by which the control pressure for the
- control device 7 is designed as a control unit, which also has the ability to run corresponding software programs and store values accordingly.
- both sensors 5, 6 are necessary in all cases, while the signal pressure sensor 8 is optional.
- the signal pressure sensor 8 is optional.
- FIG. 1 Depending on the explanations in the following
- the measured value via the optional control pressure sensor 8 are used, or to adapt an eventual signal drift of the detected by the control pressure sensor 8 value.
- the entire control can also be effected via the control pressure ycy.
- Calculation unit 9 is processed accordingly.
- a mass flow r & can be calculated in a model-based simulation.
- Mass flow / & of the time derivative of the pressure r f (d / ⁇ t ⁇
- the volume l is that volume in which the supply pressure is measured p v and the quantities R and 7 "are the specific gas constant respectively the temperature in Kelvin
- the specific gas constant is substance-dependent and can be assumed to be constant, as well as the temperature, if necessary.
- the temperature can also be detected via a simple additional sensor system or as an already existing temperature value via, for example, a CAN bus connected in the control electronics
- the mass flow n &sub0 can thus be determined.
- This value of the model-based simulated mass flow / & is then forwarded to a second calculation unit 10.
- a value detected via the sensor 6 is processed via the valve position and thus the opening cross-section A of the valve device 3.
- this value from a direct sensor or constant characteristics of the valve device 3 in conjunction with, for example, the current Is to control the valve device 3, if this one
- valve device 3 In a corresponding clocked operation of the valve device 3 can then also the
- Pulse width ratio of the clocking be taken into account. All this is summarized in the illustration in Figure 2 in the box provided with the reference numeral 6 of the sensor, so that in the second calculation unit 10, only a direct or indirect value on the valve position is further processed. In this second calculation unit 10, a model is now calculated which considers the opening cross-section of the valve device 3 as a diaphragm. From the
- the control pressure p y is thus model-based calculated or simulated on the basis of various realistic assumptions.
- the set pressure ⁇ y thus results from this simulation of the controlled system. It can then be provided with the pressure regulator designated by the reference numeral 11, which is typically designed as part of the control device 7, in order to improve the control parameters accordingly. This can be used to optimize the service life of the valves and the quality of the control.
- a further embodiment of the structure in which case a further valve device in addition to the previously described valve device 3 should be present.
- a structure can be used for example in a payload system 4, which is provided for filling a retarder with working fluid. If the braking power of the retarder is no longer needed, a corresponding lowering of the pressure or the regulation of the pressure at a lower value allows emptying of the retarder by its own pumping action.
- a Particularly fast emptying is possible when the pressure drop on the compressed air side of the membrane is very fast, so that the retarder
- Working medium can very quickly promote the working medium associated side of the membrane in the pantry.
- an additional vent valve may be provided, which is a flow path for the compressed air from the pressurized air side of the pantry out
- Valve device z. B such a vent valve in the inventive method is included.
- This also includes a sensor which detects at least indirectly the position of the valve device. This is shown in the illustration of Figure 3 by a designated 6 'box.
- This is also a first calculation unit 9 ', analogous to the one described above
- Calculation unit 9 upstream, which from the respective relevant pressure, which has been detected by the sensor 6 ', a corresponding
- Calculation unit 10 is supplied. Since the vent valve is typically not the supply pressure applied to one side of the valve, but the
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| PCT/EP2011/000521 WO2011101096A1 (de) | 2010-02-17 | 2011-02-04 | Verfahren zum betreiben eines hydraulischen oder pneumatischen systems |
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| WO (1) | WO2011101096A1 (de) |
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