EP2143198A2 - Elektrowerkzeug und geräteschalter für ein elektrowerkzeug - Google Patents
Elektrowerkzeug und geräteschalter für ein elektrowerkzeugInfo
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- EP2143198A2 EP2143198A2 EP08736004A EP08736004A EP2143198A2 EP 2143198 A2 EP2143198 A2 EP 2143198A2 EP 08736004 A EP08736004 A EP 08736004A EP 08736004 A EP08736004 A EP 08736004A EP 2143198 A2 EP2143198 A2 EP 2143198A2
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- Prior art keywords
- power tool
- power
- circuit
- device switch
- temperature
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- H—ELECTRICITY
- H02—GENERATION; CONVERSION OR DISTRIBUTION OF ELECTRIC POWER
- H02P—CONTROL OR REGULATION OF ELECTRIC MOTORS, ELECTRIC GENERATORS OR DYNAMO-ELECTRIC CONVERTERS; CONTROLLING TRANSFORMERS, REACTORS OR CHOKE COILS
- H02P29/00—Arrangements for regulating or controlling electric motors, appropriate for both AC and DC motors
- H02P29/02—Providing protection against overload without automatic interruption of supply
- H02P29/032—Preventing damage to the motor, e.g. setting individual current limits for different drive conditions
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- H—ELECTRICITY
- H02—GENERATION; CONVERSION OR DISTRIBUTION OF ELECTRIC POWER
- H02P—CONTROL OR REGULATION OF ELECTRIC MOTORS, ELECTRIC GENERATORS OR DYNAMO-ELECTRIC CONVERTERS; CONTROLLING TRANSFORMERS, REACTORS OR CHOKE COILS
- H02P29/00—Arrangements for regulating or controlling electric motors, appropriate for both AC and DC motors
- H02P29/60—Controlling or determining the temperature of the motor or of the drive
Definitions
- the invention relates to a device switch for a power tool, in particular a E- lektro tool with battery operation, according to the preamble of claim 1 and a power tool, in particular a power tool with battery operation, according to the preamble of claim 10.
- the invention also relates to a method for monitoring an electric Tool, in particular a power tool with battery operation according to the preamble of claim 15.
- Power tools in particular power tools that can be operated with a rechargeable battery, are known in a variety of applications, such as drills or electric screwdrivers.
- such power tools have a device switch for controlling and regulating the rotational speed of the tool by the user.
- the device switch electronics is integrated, which has a power circuit for speed control and regulation.
- the motor driving the tool is supplied with power by a voltage source, in particular a rechargeable battery, in such a way that the supplied current flows off via a power semiconductor whose conductivity is ultimately dissipated via the power semiconductor
- Push position of the manual button is determined.
- a power control of the electric motor is possible.
- a power transistor and optionally a heat sink required for this purpose may be provided.
- a device switch for a power tool in which a protective circuit is integrated, with which the rotational speed of the power tool can be influenced as a function of a monitored temperature, the voltage applied to the voltage supply, in particular the battery and the current.
- this circuit is carried out analogously.
- the protection circuit is implemented and implemented in such a way that it acts directly on a power circuit provided in the device switch, and thus a change from a critical to an uncritical operating state can be achieved.
- the protection circuit can be provided as an analog protection circuit in the power circuit.
- a power tool is proposed with such a device switch, so that the power tool itself can be protected from damage.
- a power tool in particular a power tool with battery operation can be monitored with a device switch, wherein the device switch has a power circuit for speed control and / or speed control of a motor.
- the device switch has a power circuit for speed control and / or speed control of a motor.
- both the temperature of at least one temperature-sensitive component of the power tool, as well as the current flowing through the power circuit and the current voltage of the power supply, in particular of the battery can be monitored.
- the current and the voltage can then be done with the protection circuit, which is arranged in the housing switch, a speed control and / or regulation and / or a partial or complete shutdown of individual components of the power tool.
- the protection circuit in a preferred embodiment of the invention directly affects the power circuit.
- the protection circuit can be designed so that it controls the speed in a predetermined range and / or regulated and when this range is exceeded, the value for the speed can be set to the maximum possible value.
- the predetermined control range can include the entire speed range of the electric power tool. It is also possible to restrict the control to a specific control interval, for example between 0% and 50% of the maximum possible speed range.
- the power tool can be switched off.
- rechargeable batteries that are based on lithium-ion-based batteries can be protected and protected from deep discharge.
- 1 shows schematically an appliance switch of a power tool
- 2 shows a block diagram of a first embodiment of a functionality integrated in the device switch
- FIG. 3 shows a block diagram of a second embodiment of a functionality integrated in the device switch.
- Fig. 1 shows a device switch 12 for a schematically indicated power tool 10, such as a cordless screwdriver, a drill or the like.
- the device switch 12 has a pusher 14 which sits on a pusher axis 16 and is connected to a device switch housing 18.
- a user can manually operate the power tool 10 and, for example, change a speed.
- a switching lever 22 may be provided for switching a direction of rotation.
- the device switch 12 can be connected to a voltage source, in particular a battery.
- a power circuit 20 is included, which is indicated by dashed lines.
- This power circuit 20 serves to control and regulate the current flowing to the load. It usually has a power transistor, for example a power MOSFET.
- a protection circuit 26 is provided, which is preferably integrated with the power circuit 20 on a common board.
- sensors for monitoring temperatures, currents and voltages are provided. With the protection circuit 26, the monitored values of temperature, applied voltage and current can be evaluated so that monitoring and protection of sensitive components such as the motor, the electrical and electronic used
- FIG. 2 schematically shows a block diagram of a first embodiment of the functionality of the power and protection circuits 20, 26 integrated into the device switch 12 according to the invention.
- a power supply 28 in particular a battery is provided, so that the power tool is supplied with a sufficient voltage.
- a unit for temperature detection and signal conditioning 30 is provided as well as a unit for voltage detection and signal conditioning 32.
- the units 28, 30 and 32 are connected to a logic unit 34.
- the logic unit 34 makes it possible to process the current input values coming from the units 28, 30 and 32, in particular to compare them with stored setpoint values of a setpoint memory 36.
- a power actuator 38 for controlling the power current can be controlled.
- a power and temperature monitoring can be integrated, which, however, can also be provided separately.
- the speed of the power tool 10 can be controlled and / or regulated in the entire control and / or regulating range from 0% to 100%.
- the speed control can only take place in an arbitrarily adjustable interval, for example between 0% and 40%.
- the range of 41% - 100% remains hidden in this case and when the maximum control range value of 40% is exceeded it is set to 100%, ie. H. jumped to the maximum possible value of the speed.
- the protective circuit 26 is preferably carried out analogously. This achieves a cost-effective solution. With this protection circuit 26, which is also preferably designed so that it can act directly on the power circuit 20, it is possible to ensure a limit value monitoring simultaneously for different, relevant in operation of the power tool 10 parameters. It is possible to monitor the maximum temperature for different elements of the power tool 10, such as the temperature of a designated battery, or the power component. At the same time, it is possible to monitor the voltage provided by the power supply, in particular by the battery, and to prevent over-discharge of the battery when it falls below a predetermined minimum voltage.
- the current flowing in the power circuit 20 current can be monitored to take countermeasures for reducing the current when exceeding a maximum allowable current, which can go to the shutdown of the power tool 10.
- an evaluation circuit for the temperature detection output a steady signal.
- the nominal value in the logic unit 34 is adjusted via the provided setpoint value and the speed and power are lowered, possibly down to the standstill of the power tool 10.
- a continuous signal is again output by the temperature detection.
- the logic unit 34 continuously influences the setpoint signal.
- the temperature evaluation circuit can be designed so that when reaching a set limit, the setpoint signal is set to zero.
- the setpoint signal for the temperature can also be coupled directly to the current temperature signal, so that a separate evaluation can be omitted for this purpose. In this case, changing the temperature directly affects the setpoint signal.
- a hysteresis known per se can be implemented in the circuit of the logic unit 34 or in the sensor signal detection 30.
- a minimum value for the input voltage is set for the voltage reference.
- different variants for the protection of the power tool 10 can be realized.
- the supply voltage of the entire electronics can be switched off.
- a reset can be carried out via the logic unit 34 and an existing frequency generator, which generates, for example, a pulse-width-modulated signal for controlling the power circuit, is switched off and locked.
- the frequency signal which is formed for example as a PWM signal and the power circuit 20 is supplied, can be disabled.
- the current monitoring can, for example, be carried out by, for example, using a so-called Intelligent Power Switch (IPS) to determine the permissible current in the power component. is bordered. Thus, this component is protected from excessive current flow and a resulting inadmissible overheating.
- IPS Intelligent Power Switch
- an independent temperature monitoring can also be provided.
- the protection circuit 26 is integrated in the device switch 12 and preferably designed so that it can act directly on the power circuit 20.
- FIG. 3 shows a schematic block diagram of a second embodiment of a functionality integrated into the device switch 12.
- the circuit shown schematically in FIG. 3 includes both the functionality of the power circuit 20 and the functionality of the protection circuit 26 of FIG. 1.
- the logic circuit 101 is connected to a first temperature monitoring device 110 for monitoring the temperature of a voltage source 103 of the power tool 10.
- the voltage source 103 of the power tool 10 may be a battery, for example.
- the temperature monitoring device 110 for monitoring the temperature of the voltage source 103 continuously measures the temperature of the voltage source 103 and compares the measured temperature with a predetermined limit temperature.
- Temperature detected means 110 exceeds the predetermined temperature, the temperature monitoring device 110 transmits a signal to the logic unit 101th
- the logic unit 101 is further provided with a temperature monitor 111 for
- the temperature monitor 111 continuously detects the temperature of the power circuit 106 and compares it with a predetermined limit temperature. As soon as the determined temperature of the power circuit 106 exceeds the specified limit value, the temperature monitoring device 111 transmits a corresponding signal to the logic unit 101.
- the logic unit 101 is further connected to a temperature monitor 112 for monitoring the temperature of a motor 108 of the power tool 10.
- the temperature monitor 112 continuously determines the temperature of the engine 108 and compares it to a predetermined limit. As soon as the determined temperature of the motor 108 exceeds the defined limit value, the temperature monitoring device 112 transmits a corresponding signal to the logic unit 101.
- the temperature monitoring devices 110, 111, 112 are each connected to a temperature sensor, which is in good thermal contact with the monitored by the respective temperature monitoring device component of the power tool 10.
- the temperature monitoring devices 110, 111, 112 also each have an evaluation circuit which serves for the evaluation of the signal supplied by the respective temperature sensor, performs the comparison with the respectively defined limit value and generates a signal dependent on the result of this comparison and transmits it to the logic unit 101.
- the logic unit may additionally be connected to other temperature monitoring devices for monitoring the temperature of other electrical or electronic or other components of the power tool 10.
- the logic unit 101 is further connected to a voltage monitoring device 104, which is provided for monitoring a voltage provided by the voltage source 103 of the power tool 10.
- Voltage monitor 104 compares the voltage supplied by voltage source 103 with a predetermined threshold. If the voltage provided by the voltage source 103 falls below the predetermined limit value, the voltage monitoring device 104 supplies a corresponding signal to the logic unit 101.
- the voltage monitoring device 104 can compare the voltage supplied by the voltage source 103, for example by means of a comparator, with a reference voltage of a Zener diode ,
- the logic unit 101 is further connected to a current monitor 107 for monitoring a current flowing in the power circuit 106.
- the current monitor 107 continuously detects the current flowing in the power circuit 106 and compares it with a predetermined limit. If the current flowing in the power circuit 106 exceeds the set limit, the current monitor 107 supplies a corresponding signal to the logic unit 101.
- the logic unit 101 is further connected to a setpoint input 102.
- the setpoint input 102 supplies a value dependent on the position of the pusher 14 of the device switch 12.
- the SoII value transferred from the setpoint input 102 to the logic unit 101 thus reflects the user's request of the power tool 10.
- the setpoint input 102 will provide a setpoint of 0%. If the user of the power tool 10 depresses the pusher 14 of the device switch 12 in half, the setpoint input 102 provides a setpoint value of 50%. If the user presses the pusher 14 completely, the setpoint input 102 delivers a setpoint value of 100% to the logic unit 101.
- the pusher 14 is listed as a button.
- setpoint default 102 provides only setpoints of 0% or 100% to logic unit 101.
- the logic unit 101 determines an adjusted setpoint value from the desired value provided by the setpoint input 102.
- the logic unit 101 takes into account the signals supplied by the temperature monitoring devices 110, 111, 112.
- the logic unit 101 can also take into account the signals provided by the voltage monitoring device 104 and the current monitoring device 107 in order to determine the adjusted nominal value. If none of the mentioned monitoring devices indicates a critical state of one of the monitored components of the power tool 10, the logic unit 101 can take over the setpoint supplied by the setpoint input 102 directly as an adjusted setpoint. Alternatively, the logic unit 101 may arbitrarily scale the setpoint supplied by the setpoint input 102.
- the logic unit 101 may take the setpoint of the setpoint 102 in a fixed lower range of the setpoint, for example, 40% as the adjusted setpoint, while a higher setpoint supplied by the setpoint 102 may directly apply to a matched one
- the logic unit 101 may undertake a reduction of the adjusted target value.
- the logic unit 101 may, for example, reduce the adjusted setpoint to 0% in this case.
- the temperature monitoring devices 110, 111, 112 of the logic unit 101 provide a signal which is dependent on the respectively determined temperature.
- the logic unit 101 can increasingly reduce the adjusted setpoint with increasing temperatures of the components monitored by the temperature monitors 110, 111, 112.
- the reduction of the adjusted setpoint may, for example, be done in one or more discrete stages.
- the reduction of the adjusted setpoint can also be done continuously with increasing temperatures. In any case, the adjusted setpoint is reduced with the aim of avoiding overheating of one of the monitored components of the power tool 10.
- the logic unit 101 transfers the adjusted setpoint value to a unit 105 for generating a pulse width modulated signal.
- the pulse width modulated signal generating unit 105 generates a pulse width modulated signal having a duty ratio corresponding to the adjusted target value.
- the pulse width modulated signal generating unit 105 transfers the pulse width modulated signal to the power circuit 106.
- the power circuit 106 supplies the motor 108 of the power tool 10 with the pulse width modulated signal according to voltage.
- the power circuit 106 may be implemented, for example, as a power MOSFET whose gate contact is switched by the pulse width modulated signal.
- the current monitoring device 107 monitors the current flowing through the power circuit 106 current. For this example, the voltage drop across a
- Series resistance can be measured.
- the current monitor 107 may monitor the resistance R D s (o n ) of the power MOSFET. This is preferably done with passive components as P, PI, PID or PD controller with an operational amplifier.
- the power circuit 106 and the current monitor 107 may be implemented as an integrated power semiconductor. Such components are available from various manufacturers under the designations "Intelligent Power Switch,””SmartFET,””TempFET,””SenseFET,””HITFET,” etc.
- the temperature monitor 111 may also monitor the temperature of the power circuit 106 within this integrated power half be provided ladder.
- other monitoring functions for example for monitoring the voltage applied to the power circuit 106 voltage can be integrated.
- the integrated component of power circuit 106 and Stromüberwachungs- device 107 may also be configured to switch off the power circuit 106 in the event of an inadmissibly high current, an inadmissibly high temperature or an inadmissibly high voltage applied independently.
- the feedback to the logic unit 101 may be omitted alternatively. If a feedback to the logic unit 101 is provided, the logic unit 101 in the case of a critical operating state of the power circuit 101 additionally disable other components of the electric tool 10, such as the unit 105 for generating the pulse width modulated signal.
- the logic unit 101 may be designed to switch off individual assemblies of the power tool 10 in the case of an inadmissibly low voltage of the voltage source 103.
- the logic unit 101 may in such a case, for example, the unit 105 for generating the pulse width modulated signal and / or the power circuit 106 off. As a result, a harmful deep discharge of the voltage source 103 forming the battery is prevented.
- the generation, monitoring and shutdown of the supply voltage can be performed by an integrated circuit.
- the logic unit 101 the temperature monitoring devices 110, 111, 112, the unit for generating the pulse width modulated signal 105, the
- Power circuit 106 the means for current monitoring 107, the setpoint specification 102, as well as the voltage monitoring device 104 disposed within the device switch 12 of the power tool 10.
- all components described are designed as analog circuits. This is particularly inexpensive.
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