EP1434244B1 - Operating element, especially for automotive components - Google Patents

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EP1434244B1
EP1434244B1 EP20030104337 EP03104337A EP1434244B1 EP 1434244 B1 EP1434244 B1 EP 1434244B1 EP 20030104337 EP20030104337 EP 20030104337 EP 03104337 A EP03104337 A EP 03104337A EP 1434244 B1 EP1434244 B1 EP 1434244B1
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    • HELECTRICITY
    • H01ELECTRIC ELEMENTS
    • H01HELECTRIC SWITCHES; RELAYS; SELECTORS; EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE DEVICES
    • H01H25/00Switches with compound movement of handle or other operating part
    • H01H25/06Operating part movable both angularly and rectilinearly, the rectilinear movement being along the axis of angular movement
    • HELECTRICITY
    • H01ELECTRIC ELEMENTS
    • H01HELECTRIC SWITCHES; RELAYS; SELECTORS; EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE DEVICES
    • H01H2217/00Facilitation of operation; Human engineering
    • H01H2217/032Feedback about selected symbol, e.g. display
    • HELECTRICITY
    • H01ELECTRIC ELEMENTS
    • H01HELECTRIC SWITCHES; RELAYS; SELECTORS; EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE DEVICES
    • H01H2219/00Legends
    • H01H2219/054Optical elements
    • H01H2219/062Light conductor
    • H01H2219/0622Light conductor only an illuminated ring around keys
    • HELECTRICITY
    • H01ELECTRIC ELEMENTS
    • H01HELECTRIC SWITCHES; RELAYS; SELECTORS; EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE DEVICES
    • H01H2221/00Actuators
    • H01H2221/078Different operating parts on a bigger one

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  • the invention relates to a control element for generating an electrical control signal having a fixed inner part, which has a front surface, and a rotatably mounted about the inner part handle, wherein the front surface of the fixed inner part comprises a plurality of actuators for push button.
  • a control element for generating an electrical control signal having a fixed inner part, which has a front surface, and a rotatably mounted about the inner part handle, wherein the front surface of the fixed inner part comprises a plurality of actuators for push button.
  • Such an operating element is known from DE 100 59 793 A1, DE 101 12 973 A1 and EP-A-1 072 452.
  • the fixed inner part is usually with symbols that clarify a selected setting or numbers provided.
  • the arranged around the fixed inner part handle is rotatably mounted about this and acts on an electric actuator, such as a potentiometer or a switching element.
  • the control element can also be designed as a turn / push button.
  • a function of a multimedia system can be selected for example by a rotary movement and selected by pressing the control element.
  • the object of the invention is to provide an operating element that integrates functionally related or closely related operating steps in an operating element.
  • the handle is additionally designed as an actuating element of a push-button.
  • the handle may be formed as a first priority, the turning and pressing and as a second priority, the key press on one of the actuating elements, which are arranged on the front surface of the fixed inner part.
  • the "telephone" function can be selected within a multimedia system and selected by pressing the handle.
  • the actuators on the front surface of the fixed inner part for example, a telephone number can be selected.
  • the front surface of the fixed inner part contains at least 10 actuators for push-button, which are designed as a numeric keypad.
  • the actuating elements arranged in the front face of the stationary inner part can be designed as mechanical keys. If the keys are arranged elevated relative to the front surface, the keys can also be felt and thus be operated without eye contact. Traffic safety is thereby increased, as the driver at Operate the actuators does not have to look away from the road.
  • the arranged in the front surface of the fixed inner part actuators are designed as a membrane keyboard.
  • a membrane keyboard Such a configuration can be realized inexpensively.
  • the buttons of the membrane keypad, which form a numeric keypad, for example, are also raised in this case.
  • the operating element has an outer light ring. In this way, for example, the driver can be given a visual feedback after pressing the operating element.
  • the control element can be used to operate a motor vehicle component and in this case be connected to a control unit of the motor vehicle component, wherein the control unit generates an audible or visual feedback after actuation of the control element.
  • FIG. 1 shows a front view of a rotary pushbutton with integrated numeric keypad according to the invention.
  • the rotary / push button 1 has a handle formed as an outer rotary handle 2, which is rotatable about a fixed inner part.
  • a function of a multimedia system can be selected.
  • This function is then selected.
  • the selectable functions are usually on a display unit which can be operated by the operating element 1 Vehicle component visible.
  • By turning the user can for example select the menu items "Radio", “CD”, “Navigation”, “Telematics” or “Telephone”.
  • the selected function is then selected by pressing the handle.
  • the front surface 4 of the inner part 3 contains a plurality of actuating elements 5 designed as buttons.
  • the actuating elements 5 are arranged as a numeric keypad in the manner customary for telephone sets. If now the function "telephone" is selected in the aforementioned multimedia system via the handle 2, a telephone number can be entered via the actuating elements 5. If, on the other hand, the radio function is selected via the handle 2, an emitter 5 can be used to directly select a transmitter.
  • the trained as a numeric keypad actuators 5 have the effect of conventional station buttons a radio device.
  • the actuating elements 5 are designed to be raised relative to the front surface 4 of the control element 1. As a result, the actuators 5 can also be operated “blind”. This means that the user can feel the actuators 5 and eye contact with the operating element is not required. For this purpose, it is particularly advantageous if the operating element is placed in the extension of a Wegkonsolarmauflage a motor vehicle, since in this case a volunteers operation of the numeric keypad on the arm guide is possible.
  • Fig. 2 shows schematically a motor vehicle component, such as a multi-media system.
  • the control element 1 is connected to a control unit 6 and this with a monitor 7 and a speaker 8. Via the operating element 1, individual functions of the multimedia system can be selected in the manner already described above.
  • the display of selectable functions can be displayed on the monitor 7.
  • About the speaker 8 can be an acoustic Feedback occur after an input, wherein the feedback is generated by the control unit 6.

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Die Erfindung betrifft ein Bedienelement zur Erzeugung eines elektrischen Stellsignals mit einem feststehenden Innenteil, das eine Frontfläche aufweist, und einer drehbar um das Innenteil gelagerten Handhabe, wobei die Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils mehrere Betätigungselemente für Drücksteller aufweist. Ein derartiges Bedienelement ist aus der DE 100 59 793 A1, der DE 101 12 973 A1 und der EP-A- 1 072 452 bekannt.The invention relates to a control element for generating an electrical control signal having a fixed inner part, which has a front surface, and a rotatably mounted about the inner part handle, wherein the front surface of the fixed inner part comprises a plurality of actuators for push button. Such an operating element is known from DE 100 59 793 A1, DE 101 12 973 A1 and EP-A-1 072 452.

Diese Bedienelemente werden beispielsweise zur Bedienung von Kraftfahrzeugkomponenten, wie eines Multimediasystems, einer Klimaanlage und dergleichen eingesetzt. Das feststehende Innenteil ist zumeist mit Symbolen, die eine gewählte Einstellung verdeutlichen oder Zahlenangaben versehen. Die um das feststehende Innenteil angeordnete Handhabe ist um dieses drehbar gelagert und wirkt auf ein elektrisches Stellglied, beispielsweise ein Potentiometer oder ein Schaltelement ein. Darüber hinaus kann das Bedienelement auch als Dreh-/Drücksteller ausgebildet sein. Bei dieser Ausgestaltung kann beispielsweise durch eine Drehbewegung eine Funktion eines Multimediasystems angewählt und durch Drücken des Bedienelementes ausgewählt werden.These controls are used for example for the operation of motor vehicle components, such as a multimedia system, an air conditioner and the like. The fixed inner part is usually with symbols that clarify a selected setting or numbers provided. The arranged around the fixed inner part handle is rotatably mounted about this and acts on an electric actuator, such as a potentiometer or a switching element. In addition, the control element can also be designed as a turn / push button. In this embodiment, a function of a multimedia system can be selected for example by a rotary movement and selected by pressing the control element.

In Kraftfahrzeugen ist in der Regel eine Vielzahl von Bedienelementen im Bereich der Mittelkonsole und des Armaturenbretts angeordnet. Diese Vielzahl an Bedienelementen, die mehr oder weniger gruppiert sind, erschwert für viele Fahrer die Bedienung der Kraftfahrzeugkomponenten. Durch den Dreh-/Drücksteller wird bereits eine Zusammenfassung von zusammengehörenden Funktionen in ein Bedienelement erreicht.In motor vehicles, a large number of operating elements is usually arranged in the area of the center console and the dashboard. This multiplicity of operating elements, which are grouped more or less, makes it difficult for many drivers to operate the motor vehicle components. The rotary / push button is already a summary of related functions achieved in a control.

Aufgabe der Erfindung ist es ein Bedienelement anzugeben, das funktional zusammengehörende oder eng miteinander verbundene Bedienschritte in ein Bedienelement integriert.The object of the invention is to provide an operating element that integrates functionally related or closely related operating steps in an operating element.

Die Aufgabe wird durch ein Bedienelement mit den Merkmalen des Anspruchs 1 gelöst.The object is achieved by an operating element with the features of claim 1.

Hierdurch werden weitere Bedienfunktionen in das Bedienelement integriert, wobei den einzelnen Funktionen jedoch eigenständige Betätigungselemente zugeordnet sind. Somit kann eine intelligente und platzsparende Anordnung von Bedienelementen und eine Konzentration in ein einziges Bedienelement in einem Fahrzeug ohne Verlust an Ergonomie und Funktionalität erreicht werden. Dabei kann durch eine Integrierung der Betätigungselemente innerhalb eines Bedienelementes indirekt eine Prioritätsstufe eingeführt werden.As a result, further operating functions are integrated into the control element, but the individual functions are assigned independent actuators. Thus, an intelligent and space-saving arrangement of controls and a concentration in a single control element in a vehicle without loss of ergonomics and functionality can be achieved. It can be introduced indirectly by integrating the actuators within a control element priority level.

Hierzu ist es besonders vorteilhaft, wenn die Handhabe zusätzlich als Betätigungselement eines Drückstellers ausgebildet ist. Bei dieser Ausgestaltung kann als erste Priorität das Drehen und Drücken ausgebildet sein und als zweite Priorität der Tastendruck auf eines der Betätigungselemente, die auf der Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils angeordnet sind. Beispielsweise lässt sich durch Drehen des Bedienelementes die Funktion "Telefon" innerhalb eines Multimediasystems auswählen und durch Drücken der Handhabe auswählen. Anschließend kann durch Betätigung der Betätigungselemente auf der Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils beispielsweise eine Telefonnummer gewählt werden. Hierzu enthält die Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils mindestens 10 Betätigungselemente für Drücksteller, die als Ziffernblock ausgebildet sind.For this purpose, it is particularly advantageous if the handle is additionally designed as an actuating element of a push-button. In this embodiment may be formed as a first priority, the turning and pressing and as a second priority, the key press on one of the actuating elements, which are arranged on the front surface of the fixed inner part. For example, by turning the control element, the "telephone" function can be selected within a multimedia system and selected by pressing the handle. Subsequently, by pressing the actuators on the front surface of the fixed inner part, for example, a telephone number can be selected. For this purpose, the front surface of the fixed inner part contains at least 10 actuators for push-button, which are designed as a numeric keypad.

Insbesondere können die in der Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils angeordneten Betätigungselemente als mechanische Tasten ausgebildet sein. Werden die Tasten gegenüber der Frontfläche erhöht angeordnet, so können die Tasten auch erfühlt und damit ohne Blickkontakt bedient werden. Die Verkehrssicherheit wird hierdurch erhöht, da der Fahrer beim Bedienen der Betätigungselemente den Blick nicht von der Straße abwenden muss.In particular, the actuating elements arranged in the front face of the stationary inner part can be designed as mechanical keys. If the keys are arranged elevated relative to the front surface, the keys can also be felt and thus be operated without eye contact. Traffic safety is thereby increased, as the driver at Operate the actuators does not have to look away from the road.

In einer anderen Ausführungsform sind die in der Frontfläche des feststehenden Innenteils angeordneten Betätigungselemente als Folientastatur ausgeführt. Eine derartige Ausgestaltung kann kostengünstig realisiert werden. Insbesondere sind auch hierbei die Schaltflächen der Folientastatur, die beispielsweise einen Ziffernblock bilden, erhöht ausgebildet.In another embodiment, the arranged in the front surface of the fixed inner part actuators are designed as a membrane keyboard. Such a configuration can be realized inexpensively. In particular, the buttons of the membrane keypad, which form a numeric keypad, for example, are also raised in this case.

In einer besonderen Ausführungsform weist das Bedienelement einen äußeren Leuchtring auf. Hierdurch kann beispielsweise dem Fahrer eine optische Rückmeldung nach Betätigen des Bedienelements gegeben werden.In a particular embodiment, the operating element has an outer light ring. In this way, for example, the driver can be given a visual feedback after pressing the operating element.

Das Bedienelement kann zur Bedienung einer Kraftfahrzeugkomponente eingesetzt werden und hierbei mit einem Steuergerät der Kraftfahrzeugkomponente verbunden sein, wobei von dem Steuergerät eine akustische oder optische Rückmeldung nach Betätigen des Bedienelementes erzeugt wird.The control element can be used to operate a motor vehicle component and in this case be connected to a control unit of the motor vehicle component, wherein the control unit generates an audible or visual feedback after actuation of the control element.

Die Erfindung wird nachfolgend anhand eines Ausführungsbeispiels und der Zeichnung näher erläutert.The invention will be explained in more detail with reference to an embodiment and the drawing.

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a schematic representation of a motor vehicle component

Figur 1 zeigt eine Frontansicht eines erfindungsgemäßen Dreh-/Drückstellers mit integrierter Nummerntastatur. Der Dreh-/Drücksteller 1 weist eine als äußerer Drehring ausgebildete Handhabe 2 auf, die um ein feststehendes Innenteil drehbar ist. Durch Drehen der Handhabe 2 kann beispielsweise eine Funktion eines Multimediasystems ausgewählt werden. Durch Drücken der Handhabe 2 wird diese Funktion dann angewählt. Die wählbaren Funktionen sind dabei üblicherweise auf einer Anzeigeeinheit der durch das Bedienelement 1 bedienbaren Fahrzeugkomponente sichtbar. Durch Drehen kann der Benutzer beispielsweise die Menuepunkte "Radio", "CD", "Navigation", "Telematik" oder "Telefon" anwählen. Die angewählte Funktion wird dann durch Drücken der Handhabe ausgewählt.FIG. 1 shows a front view of a rotary pushbutton with integrated numeric keypad according to the invention. The rotary / push button 1 has a handle formed as an outer rotary handle 2, which is rotatable about a fixed inner part. By turning the handle 2, for example, a function of a multimedia system can be selected. By pressing the handle 2, this function is then selected. The selectable functions are usually on a display unit which can be operated by the operating element 1 Vehicle component visible. By turning the user can for example select the menu items "Radio", "CD", "Navigation", "Telematics" or "Telephone". The selected function is then selected by pressing the handle.

Die Frontfläche 4 des Innenteils 3 enthält mehrere als Tasten ausgeführte Betätigungselemente 5. Die Betätigungselemente 5 sind als Ziffernblock in der bei Telefonapparaten üblichen Weise angeordnet. Wird nun bei dem bereits genannten Multimediasystem über die Handhabe 2 die Funktion "Telefon" ausgewählt, so kann über die Betätigungselemente 5 eine Telefonnummer eingegeben werden. Wird dagegen über die Handhabe 2 die Funktion Radio ausgewählt, so kann durch ein Betätigungselement 5 direkt ein Sender ausgewählt werden. Die als Ziffernblock ausgebildeten Betätigungselemente 5 haben dabei die Wirkung von herkömmlichen Stationstasten eines Radiogerätes.The front surface 4 of the inner part 3 contains a plurality of actuating elements 5 designed as buttons. The actuating elements 5 are arranged as a numeric keypad in the manner customary for telephone sets. If now the function "telephone" is selected in the aforementioned multimedia system via the handle 2, a telephone number can be entered via the actuating elements 5. If, on the other hand, the radio function is selected via the handle 2, an emitter 5 can be used to directly select a transmitter. The trained as a numeric keypad actuators 5 have the effect of conventional station buttons a radio device.

Die Betätigungselemente 5 sind gegenüber der Frontfläche 4 des Bedienelementes 1 erhöht ausgeführt. Hierdurch können die Betätigungselemente 5 auch "blind" bedient werden. Dies bedeutet, dass der Benutzer die Betätigungselemente 5 erfühlen kann und ein Blickkontakt zu dem Bedienelement nicht erforderlich ist. Hierzu ist es besonders vorteilhaft, wenn das Bedienelement in der Verlängerung einer Mittelkonsolarmauflage eines Kraftfahrzeuges platziert ist, da in diesem Fall eine ermüdungsfreie Bedienung des Ziffernblocks über die Armführung möglich ist.The actuating elements 5 are designed to be raised relative to the front surface 4 of the control element 1. As a result, the actuators 5 can also be operated "blind". This means that the user can feel the actuators 5 and eye contact with the operating element is not required. For this purpose, it is particularly advantageous if the operating element is placed in the extension of a Mittelkonsolarmauflage a motor vehicle, since in this case a tireless operation of the numeric keypad on the arm guide is possible.

Fig. 2 zeigt schematisch eine Kraftfahrzeugkomponente, wie beispielsweise ein Multirnediasystem. Das Bedienelement 1 ist mit einem Steuergerät 6 und dieses mit einem Monitor 7 und einem Lautsprecher 8 verbunden. Über das Bedienelement 1 können einzelne Funktionen des Multimediasystems in der zuvor bereits beschriebenen Weise ausgewählt werden. Die Anzeige von auswählbaren Funktionen kann dabei auf dem Monitor 7 dargestellt werden. Über den Lautsprecher 8 kann eine akustische Rückmeldung nach einer Eingabe erfolgen, wobei die Rückmeldung von dem Steuergerät 6 erzeugt wird.Fig. 2 shows schematically a motor vehicle component, such as a multi-media system. The control element 1 is connected to a control unit 6 and this with a monitor 7 and a speaker 8. Via the operating element 1, individual functions of the multimedia system can be selected in the manner already described above. The display of selectable functions can be displayed on the monitor 7. About the speaker 8 can be an acoustic Feedback occur after an input, wherein the feedback is generated by the control unit 6.

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  1. Operator control element for generating an electrical actuating signal, this operator control element having a stationary inner part (3) which has a front face (4), and having a dial (2) which is mounted such that it can be rotated about the inner part (3), with the front face (4) of the stationary inner part (3) comprising a plurality of operating elements (5) for pushbutton actuators, characterized in that the front face (4) of the stationary inner part (3) comprises at least ten operating elements (5) for pushbutton actuators which are in the form of a numerical keypad.
  2. Operator control element according to Claim 1, characterized in that the dial (2) is additionally in the form of an operating element of a pushbutton actuator.
  3. Operator control element according to either of the preceding claims, characterized in that the operating elements (5) arranged in the front face (4) of the stationary inner part (3) are in the form of mechanical keys.
  4. Operator control element according to Claim 3, characterized in that the keys are arranged such that they are raised in relation to the front face.
  5. Operator control element according to either of the preceding Claims 1 or 2, characterized in that the operating elements (5) arranged in the front face (4) of the stationary inner part (3) are designed as a membrane keypad.
  6. Operator control element according to Claim 5, characterized in that the membrane keypad has raised switching areas.
  7. Operator control element according to one of the preceding claims, characterized in that the operator control element (1) has a luminous outer ring.
  8. Operator control element according to one of the preceding claims, characterized by use in a motor vehicle component, it being possible to use the operating elements (5) arranged in the front face (4) of the stationary inner part (3) to call up functions that are dependent on a menu which can be selected by means of the dial (2).
  9. Operator control element according to Claim 8, characterized in that the functions include dialing a telephone number and selecting a radio station.
  10. Motor vehicle component having an operator control element (1) according to one of the preceding claims, and having a controller (6), the operator control element (1) being connected to the controller (6), and an audible or visual acknowledgement being generated by the controller (6) following operation of the operator control element (1).
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