DE823900C - Circuit arrangement for measuring instruments for measuring direct and alternating voltage or current quantities with switched on rectifier for direct current and voltage measurement - Google Patents

Circuit arrangement for measuring instruments for measuring direct and alternating voltage or current quantities with switched on rectifier for direct current and voltage measurement

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DE823900C
DE823900C DES1756A DES0001756A DE823900C DE 823900 C DE823900 C DE 823900C DE S1756 A DES1756 A DE S1756A DE S0001756 A DES0001756 A DE S0001756A DE 823900 C DE823900 C DE 823900C
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Dr Josef Schiele
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Die Erfindung befaßt sich mit einer Schaltungs, anordnung für Meßinstrumente zum Messen von Gleich- und Wechselspannungs- oder Stromgrößen, bei denen bei der Spannungsmtssung bzw. Strommessung in bekannter Weise der für Wechselspannungs- bzw. Strommessungen erforderLiche Gleichrichter eingeschaltet bleibt bei einpoliger Umschaltung auf verschiedene Stromarten Es 'hat sich nun herausgestellt, daß bei den bekannten Meßinstrumenten (Vielfachmeßinstrumente) die Erscheinung auftritt, daß bei den Strom-bzw. Gleichspannungsmessungen das Meßergebnis erheblich gefälscht bzw. diese Messungen gänzlich unbrauchbar sind!, wenn auf den Meßkreis gleichzeitig eine Wechselspannungs- oder Stromgröße einwirkt. Das ist z. B. der Fall, wenn in Röhrenschaltungen an verschiedenen Gittern Gleichspannungen gemessen werden. The invention relates to a circuit arrangement for measuring instruments for measuring direct and alternating voltage or current quantities for which the Voltage measurement or current measurement in a known manner for AC voltage or current measurements required rectifier remains switched on with single-pole Switching to different types of current It has now been found that with the known measuring instruments (multiple measuring instruments) the phenomenon occurs, that with the current or. DC voltage measurements significantly falsified the measurement result or these measurements are completely useless! if on the measuring circuit at the same time an alternating voltage or current quantity acts. This is e.g. B. the case when in Tube circuits can be measured at different grids DC voltages.

Man könnte nun, so vorgehen, daß man den Gleichrichter bei Messungen von Gleichspannungen und Strömen einpolig vom Meßwerk abschaltet. Das ist aber oft aus Platzmangel, insbesondere bei Vielfachinstrumenten, sehr unerwünscht undl würde eine zusätzliche Schaltmaßnahme erfordern. Außerdem wäre ein Umbau vorhandener Geräte auf diese Weise sehr schwierig bzw. ummögiich. One could now proceed in such a way that one uses the rectifier during measurements of DC voltages and currents single-pole disconnects from the measuring mechanism. But that is often for lack of space, especially with multiple instruments, very undesirable andl require an additional switching measure. In addition, existing devices would have to be converted in this way very difficult or impossible.

Eine andere Möglichkeit besteht darin daß die Benutzer bei Messungen von Gleichstromwerten parallel zu den Klemmen einen Kondensator schalten, dessen Kapazitätswert je nach der vorkommenden Frequenz zu bemessen wäre. Dieser Weg ist bei Gleichstrommessungen gangbar. Dagegen ist bei Gleichspannungsmessungen darauf zu achten, daß der Eingangswiderstand durch diese Maßnahme für die Wechselstromgröße nicht zu stark herabgesetzt wird. In vielen Fällen wirdl daher bei Messungen von Gleich spannungen in Hochfrequenzlschaltun,gen diese Möglichkeit ganz ausscheiden. Another possibility is that the user takes measurements of direct current values connect a capacitor in parallel to the terminals, its Capacitance value would have to be measured depending on the frequency occurring. This way is feasible for direct current measurements. On the other hand, it is important for DC voltage measurements to ensure that the input resistance by this measure for the alternating current magnitude is not degraded too much. In many cases, therefore, when measuring DC voltages in high-frequency circuits eliminate this possibility entirely.

Demgegenüber besteht die erfindungsgemäße Lösung darin, daß parallel zum Gleichrichter und zum Meßwerk ein die Wechselspannunlgs- bzw. Strommessungen nicht fälschender und bei. Gleichspannung bzw. Strommessungen den Einfluß überlagerter Wechsel frequenzen au fhebender Kondensator geschaltet ist. In contrast, the solution according to the invention is that parallel AC voltage and current measurements to the rectifier and the measuring mechanism not more falsifying and at. DC voltage or current measurements have the influence of superimposed Alternating frequencies canceling capacitor is connected.

Bei Anwendung der erfindungsgemäßen Vorschrift hat sich gezeigt, daß bei handelsüblichen Vielfachinstrumenten (Multizet) der parallel geschaltete Kondensator z.B. eine Größe von 20 000 pF haben muß, um den gewünschten Erfolg zu erzielen. Der Kondensator wird zweckmäßig als Wickelblock ausgeführt und l)raucht nur ganz geringe Prüfspannung zu halten. When applying the rule according to the invention it has been shown that that with commercially available multiple instruments (Multizet) the parallel switched Capacitor, for example, must have a size of 20,000 pF in order to achieve the desired success achieve. The capacitor is expediently designed as a winding block and l) smokes to hold only a very low test voltage.

In der Zeichnung ist ein Ausführungsbeispiel der Erfindung schematisch dargestellt. An exemplary embodiment of the invention is shown schematically in the drawing shown.

Mittels des Umschalters U kann auf Gleichstrommessung oder Wechselstrommessung geschaltet werden. Mit 3 ist das Anzeigeinstrument bezeichnet, während 4, 5 den Gleichrichter darstellt. Parallel zum GleichnichWr 4, 5 und Anzeigeinstrument 3 liegt der erfindungsgemäß vorgesehene Kunden sator 6. The switch U can be used to switch to direct current measurement or alternating current measurement be switched. With 3 the indicating instrument is designated, while 4, 5 the Rectifier represents. Parallel to GleichnichWr 4, 5 and display instrument 3 the customer provided according to the invention is located in the Sator 6.

Bei Durchführung einer Gleichstrom- bzw. Spannungsmessung befindet sich der Schalter U in der dargestellten Stellung I. Der Meßkreis verläuft von Klemme 7 über Schalterstellung 1, Punkt 8, Meßwerk 3, Widerstand 9, Klemme 10 bzw. Punkt 8 über Widerstand ii nach Klemme IO. Bei Wechselstrom- bzw. Spannungsmessung liegt der Umschalter U in Stellung 2. Der Meßweg hat dann folgenden Verlauf: von Klemme 7 über Schalter U in Stellung 2, Widerstand 12, Gleichrichter 5, 4, Meßwerk 3, Punkt 8 bzw. I3, NViderstand ii bzw. 9, Klemme 10. Bei der Gleichstrom- bzw. Spannungsmessung wirkt sich der erfindungsgemäß vorgesehene Kondensator 6 entsprechen,dr aus. When performing a direct current or voltage measurement the switch U is in the illustrated position I. The measuring circuit runs from the terminal 7 via switch position 1, point 8, measuring mechanism 3, resistor 9, terminal 10 or point 8 via resistor ii to terminal IO. When measuring alternating current or voltage the changeover switch U in position 2. The measuring path then has the following course: from terminal 7 via switch U in position 2, resistor 12, rectifier 5, 4, measuring mechanism 3, point 8 or I3, N resistor ii or 9, terminal 10. When measuring direct current or voltage the capacitor 6 provided according to the invention corresponds to dr.

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PATENTANSPRUCH: Schal tungsanordnung für Meßinstrumente zum Messen von Gleich- und Wechsielspannunigs-oder Stromgrößen mit eingeschaltetem Gleichrichter bei der Gleichstrom- und Spannungsmessung, dadurch gekennzeichnet, daß parallel zum Gleichnichter (4, 5) und zum Meßwerk (3) ein die Wechselspannungs- bzw. Strommessungen nicht fälschenider und bei Gleichspannungs-bzw. Strommessung den Einfluß überlagerter Wechsel frequenzen aufhebende r Kondensator geschaltet ist. PATENT CLAIM: Circuit arrangement for measuring instruments for measuring of direct and alternating voltages or currents with the rectifier switched on in direct current and voltage measurement, characterized in that parallel to the rectifier (4, 5) and to the measuring mechanism (3) the AC voltage and current measurements not forgery and with direct voltage or. Current measurement the influence of superimposed Alternating frequencies canceling r capacitor is connected.
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