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- the invention relates to a method for detecting the installation location of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system.
- the outside temperature sensor should be mounted on the north wall of the house to exclude the influence of solar radiation.
- the outside temperature sensor is often mounted on the wall closest to where the heating is installed. This results in the problem that, for example, with an outside temperature sensor mounted on the south wall, solar radiation generates a measured value that is significantly higher than the temperature of the outside air. The result would be an adjustment of the heating curve, which in such cases can lead to the result that too little heat output is generated to heat the building as required.
- a heating control with a data receiver which receives weather forecast data, and an outside temperature sensor is known. A difference is made between weather forecast data and measured values, and characteristic deviations are formed from this. This deviation can be used to adapt weather forecast data to the individual location and thus to heat as required.
- DE 10 2008 034923 A1 is a method of controlling the climatic conditions of a building using outdoor temperature sensors and Known data receiver for weather forecast data. It is disclosed to check the plausibility of the readings from the outside temperature sensors. To this end, she teaches DE 10 2008 034923 A1 , in a plausibility level, to monitor whether a limit value or a limit gradient is exceeded or not reached, in order to identify implausible measured values. This document therefore discloses the preamble of independent claim 1.
- the object of the invention is a refinement of the command variable of a heating control system with an outside temperature sensor and weather forecast data for individual heating systems.
- Advantageous configurations result from the features of the dependent claims.
- figure 1 typical temperature curves over a day.
- the figure shows two temperature curves over one day; the continuous line is intended to represent the weather data from the Internet, which comes from a weather station, for example, and is assigned to the region in which the heating system is operated.
- weather stations are operated, for example, by the German Weather Service and the Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety; they provide current weather data and often a forecast for the near future.
- the measuring sensors of such weather stations are positioned in such a way that the measured values are influenced as little as possible by interference effects.
- the dashed line represents the line of an outside temperature sensor of an individual heating system.
- the exemplary embodiment shows that the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor is lower than the temperature of the associated weather station, in whose region the individual heating system is operated, especially at night.
- the temperature of the outside temperature sensor is higher. This is probably due to the outside temperature sensor being off between 7am and 4:30pm is exposed to the sun and is therefore presumably on the south-east side. If one compares several days, one would expect that the course during the day is very dependent on the intensity of the sun. On cloudy days, the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor may not be the temperature of the weather station, even during the day. It can also be expected that the sun phase will be shorter in winter.
- intelligent heating control in this case assumes that the nocturnal deviation is based on geographical reasons and would therefore assume that there is an offset between the weather station and the outside temperature sensor. This offset could then also be subtracted from the current temperature of the weather station during the day in order to arrive at the supposedly correct outside temperature at the house without sun exposure.
- the method according to the invention for detecting the position of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system with control and compensation for incorrect positioning initially provides that control of a heating system is connected both to an outside temperature sensor and to a weather detection service.
- the connection to the weather recording service can be established via radio or the Internet and can include both the currently recorded weather data and a weather forecast.
- the control records the course of the temperature T A , the outside temperature sensor and the weather recording service T W .
- the temperature T A,T of the outside temperature sensor is greater than the temperature of the weather detection service T w,T during the day, and the temperature difference during the day ⁇ T T is therefore positive.
- the method can optionally be carried out at representative times for the day and night phases (e.g. 2:00 and 13:00).
- the procedure can be carried out at representative times (e.g. between 0:00 and 3:00 and 11:00 to 14:00). Multiple times and/or time periods can be considered.
- a nocturnal offset is formed between the temperature T A,N of the outside temperature sensor and the temperature of the weather detection service T w,N and is used in controlling the heating to correct the manipulated variable in the form of the weather detection service temperature T w .
- Both the actual temperature measured by the weather recording service and the weather forecast can be used to control the heating.
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Die Erfindung bezieht sich auf ein Verfahren zur Erkennung des Montageorts eines Außentemperaturfühlers einer Heizungsanlage.The invention relates to a method for detecting the installation location of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system.
Bei einer witterungsgeführten Heizungsregelung sollte der Außentemperaturfühler an der Nordwand des Hauses montiert sein, um den Einfluss von Sonnenstrahlung auszuschließen. Jedoch wird der Außentemperaturfühler häufig an jener Wand montiert, welcher dem Heizungsmontageort am nächsten ist. Hieraus ergibt sich das Problem, dass beispielsweise bei einem an der Südwand montierten Außentemperaturfühler Sonnenstrahlung einen Messwert geniert, welcher deutlich über der Temperatur der Außenluft liegt. Eine Anpassung der Heizkurve wäre die Folge, wobei es in derartigen Fällen zu dem Ergebnis führen kann, dass zu wenige Heizleistung generiert wird, um das Gebäude bedarfsgerecht zu beheizen.With weather-compensated heating control, the outside temperature sensor should be mounted on the north wall of the house to exclude the influence of solar radiation. However, the outside temperature sensor is often mounted on the wall closest to where the heating is installed. This results in the problem that, for example, with an outside temperature sensor mounted on the south wall, solar radiation generates a measured value that is significantly higher than the temperature of the outside air. The result would be an adjustment of the heating curve, which in such cases can lead to the result that too little heat output is generated to heat the building as required.
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Aufgabe der Erfindung ist eine Verfeinerung der Führungsgröße einer Heizungsregelung mit Außentemperaturfühler und Wettervorhersagedaten an individuelle Heizungsanlagen. Vorteilhafte Ausgestaltungen ergeben sich aus den Merkmalen des abhängigen und der abhängigen Ansprüche.The object of the invention is a refinement of the command variable of a heating control system with an outside temperature sensor and weather forecast data for individual heating systems. Advantageous configurations result from the features of the dependent claims.
Die Erfindung wird anhand der Figur näher erläutert. Hierbei zeigt
Die Figur zeigt zwei Temperaturverläufe über einen Tag; die durchgehende Linie soll die Wetterdaten aus dem Internet darstellen, welche beispielsweise von einer Wetterstation stammen und der Region, in welcher die Heizungsanlage betrieben wird, zugeordnet sind. Derartige Wetterstationen werden beispielsweise vom Deutschen Wetterdienst und dem Bundesministerium für Umwelt, Naturschutz und Reaktorsicherheit betrieben; sie liefern aktuell erfasste Wetterdaten sowie häufig eine Prognose für die nahe Zukunft. Die Messfühler derartiger Wetterstationen sind derart positioniert, dass die Messwerte möglichst wenig von Störeffekten beeinflusst werden. Die gestrichelte Linie stellt die Linie eines Außentemperaturfühlers einer individuellen Heizungsanlage dar. Das Ausführungsbeispiel zeigt, dass insbesondere nachts die mittels des Außentemperaturfühlers gemessene Temperatur niedriger als die Temperatur der dazugehörenden Wetterstation, in deren Region die individuelle Heizungsanlage betrieben wird. Zwischen 7 Uhr und 16:30 Uhr hingegen ist die Temperatur des Außentemperaturfühlers höher. Dies ist wahrscheinlich darauf zurückzuführen, dass der Außentemperaturfühler in der Zeit zwischen 7 Uhr und 16:30 Uhr Sonne ausgesetzt ist und sich somit mutmaßlich an der Südost-Seite befindet. Vergleicht man mehrere Tage, so wäre zu erwarten, dass der Verlauf tagsüber sehr von der Intensität der Sonne abhängig ist. Möglicherweise ist an bewölkten Tagen die mittels des Außentemperaturfühlers gemessene Temperatur auch tagsüber nicht die Temperatur der Wetterstation. Ferner ist zu erwarten, dass im Winter die Sonnenphase kürzer ist.The figure shows two temperature curves over one day; the continuous line is intended to represent the weather data from the Internet, which comes from a weather station, for example, and is assigned to the region in which the heating system is operated. Such weather stations are operated, for example, by the German Weather Service and the Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety; they provide current weather data and often a forecast for the near future. The measuring sensors of such weather stations are positioned in such a way that the measured values are influenced as little as possible by interference effects. The dashed line represents the line of an outside temperature sensor of an individual heating system. The exemplary embodiment shows that the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor is lower than the temperature of the associated weather station, in whose region the individual heating system is operated, especially at night. On the other hand, between 7 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. the temperature of the outside temperature sensor is higher. This is probably due to the outside temperature sensor being off between 7am and 4:30pm is exposed to the sun and is therefore presumably on the south-east side. If one compares several days, one would expect that the course during the day is very dependent on the intensity of the sun. On cloudy days, the temperature measured by the outside temperature sensor may not be the temperature of the weather station, even during the day. It can also be expected that the sun phase will be shorter in winter.
Dies hat zur Folge, dass eine intelligente Heizungsregelung in diesem Fall davon ausging, dass die nächtliche Abweichung auf geographischen Gründen basiert und würde demnach davon ausgehen, dass ein Offset zwischen der Wetterstation und dem Außentemperaturfühler vorliegt. Dieses Offset könnte auch dann von der aktuellen Temperatur der Wetterstation tagsüber abgezogen werden, um zur mutmaßlich korrekten Außentemperatur am Haus ohne Sonneneinwirkung zu gelangen.As a result, intelligent heating control in this case assumes that the nocturnal deviation is based on geographical reasons and would therefore assume that there is an offset between the weather station and the outside temperature sensor. This offset could then also be subtracted from the current temperature of the weather station during the day in order to arrive at the supposedly correct outside temperature at the house without sun exposure.
Das erfindungsgemäße Verfahren zur Erkennung der Position eines Außentemperaturfühlers einer Heizungsanlage mit einer Regelung und Kompensation einer Fehlpositionierung sieht zunächst vor, dass eine Regelung einer Heizungsanlage sowohl mit einem Außentemperaturfühler, als auch einem Wettererfassungsdienst verbunden ist. Die Verbindung mit dem Wettererfassungsdienst kann über Funk oder Internet erfolgen und sowohl die aktuell erfassten Wetterdaten, als auch eine Wetterprognose umfassen.The method according to the invention for detecting the position of an outside temperature sensor in a heating system with control and compensation for incorrect positioning initially provides that control of a heating system is connected both to an outside temperature sensor and to a weather detection service. The connection to the weather recording service can be established via radio or the Internet and can include both the currently recorded weather data and a weather forecast.
Die Regelung erfasst den Verlauf der Temperatur TA, des Außentemperaturfühlers und des Wettererfassungsdienst TW. Es wird eine Temperaturdifferenz ΔT zwischen der Temperatur TA des Außentemperaturfühlers und des Wettererfassungsdienst TW gebildet. Ist die Temperaturdifferenz nachts ΔTN signifikant kleiner als die Temperaturdifferenz tagsüber ΔTT, so ist dies ein Indiz dafür, dass tagsüber der Fühler tagsüber der Sonnenstrahlung direkt oder indirekt ausgesetzt ist. Ist wie in der Figur dargestellt, nachts die Temperatur TA,N des Außentemperaturfühlers kleiner als die Temperatur des Wettererfassungsdiensts Tw,N gebildet, so ist die Temperaturdifferenz nachts ΔTN = TA,N - TW,N negativ. Es kommt somit auf den Absolutwert der Temperaturdifferenz ΔT an. In der Figur ist tagsüber die Temperatur TA,T des Außentemperaturfühlers größer als die Temperatur des Wettererfassungsdiensts Tw,T, die Temperaturdifferenz tagsüber ΔTT demnach positiv. Die Temperaturdifferenz ΔTT - ΔTN wird nun mit einem Grenzwert ΔTG verglichen. Ist die Temperaturdifferenz ΔTT - ΔTN nun kleiner als dieser Grenzwert ΔTG, hier z.B. ΔTT = -2 K sowie ΔTN = 4 K, woraus sich ΔTT - ΔTN =-2 K - 4 K = -6 K < 2 K = ΔTG, so ist dies ein Indiz dafür, dass der Außentemperaturfühler tagsüber der Sonne ausgesetzt ist oder zumindest an einem Ort installiert ist, welcher durch Sonne erhitzt wird. Die Regelung gibt dann einen Warnhinweis aus.The control records the course of the temperature T A , the outside temperature sensor and the weather recording service T W . A temperature difference ΔT is formed between the temperature T A of the outside temperature sensor and the weather recording service T W . If the temperature difference at night ΔT N is significantly smaller than the temperature difference during the day ΔT T , this is an indication that the sensor is directly or indirectly exposed to solar radiation during the day. If, as shown in the figure, the temperature T A,N of the outside temperature sensor is lower than the temperature of the weather detection service T w,N at night, the temperature difference at night ΔT N =T A,N −T W,N is negative. So it comes up indicates the absolute value of the temperature difference ΔT. In the figure, the temperature T A,T of the outside temperature sensor is greater than the temperature of the weather detection service T w,T during the day, and the temperature difference during the day ΔT T is therefore positive. The temperature difference ΔT T - ΔT N is now compared with a limit value ΔT G . If the temperature difference ΔT T - ΔT N is now smaller than this limit value ΔT G , here for example ΔT T = -2 K and ΔT N = 4 K, from which ΔT T - ΔT N = -2 K - 4 K = -6 K < 2 K = ΔT G , this is an indication that the outside temperature sensor is exposed to the sun during the day or is at least installed in a place that is heated by the sun. The controller then issues a warning.
Das Verfahren kann optional zu repräsentativen Zeiten für die Tag- und Nachtphasen (z.B. 2:00 und 13:00) durchgeführt werden. Optional kann das Verfahren zu repräsentativen Zeiträumen (z.B. zwischen 0:00 und 3:00 sowie 11:00 bis 14:00) durchgeführt werden. Es können mehrere Zeiten und / oder Zeiträume berücksichtigt werden.The method can optionally be carried out at representative times for the day and night phases (e.g. 2:00 and 13:00). Optionally, the procedure can be carried out at representative times (e.g. between 0:00 and 3:00 and 11:00 to 14:00). Multiple times and/or time periods can be considered.
Bei der Temperaturregelung wird ein nächtlicher Offset zwischen der Temperatur TA,N des Außentemperaturfühlers und der Temperatur des Wettererfassungsdiensts Tw,N gebildet und bei der Steuerung der Heizung zur Korrektur der Stellgröße in Form der Wettererfassungsdiensttemperatur Tw benutzt.In temperature control, a nocturnal offset is formed between the temperature T A,N of the outside temperature sensor and the temperature of the weather detection service T w,N and is used in controlling the heating to correct the manipulated variable in the form of the weather detection service temperature T w .
Zur Heizungssteuerung kann sowohl die gemessene Isttemperatur des Wettererfassungsdiensts, als auch die Wetterprognose herangezogen werden.Both the actual temperature measured by the weather recording service and the weather forecast can be used to control the heating.
Erfolgt die Anwendung des Verfahrens über einen längeren Zeitraum, so ist zu berücksichtigen, dass die Phasen für tagsüber beziehungsweise nachts sich über den Jahresverlauf verändern, wobei im Juni die Tage am längsten und im Dezember am kürzesten sind.If the method is used over a longer period of time, it must be taken into account that the phases for daytime and nighttime change over the course of the year, with the days being longest in June and shortest in December.
Ändert sich die Temperaturdifferenz ΔTT tagsüber, so ist dies auch ein Indiz dafür, dass der Außentemperaturfühler temporär der Sonne ausgesetzt ist und bei Bewölkung die Differenz einer anderen entspricht als bei Sonnenschein. Auch hier wird eine Warnmeldung am Display der Regelung der Heizung ausgegeben und gegebenenfalls ein Fachhandwerker über die Datenverbindung informiert.If the temperature difference ΔT T changes during the day, this is also an indication that the outside temperature sensor is temporarily exposed to the sun and that the difference is different when it is cloudy than when it is sunny. Here, too, a warning message is issued on the display of the heating control system and, if necessary, a specialist tradesman is informed about the data connection.
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- Method for detecting the position of an external temperature sensor of a heating system with a controller and compensation for incorrect positioning, wherein a weather detection service is also connected to the controller of the heating system, wherein the controller records and compares the temperature profile of the external temperature sensor and of the weather detection service, derives correction data therefrom and controls the heating depending on the data of the weather detection service which are adapted using the correction data, characterised in that, if the temperature difference between the external temperature sensor and the weather detection service during the day is greater than the temperature difference between the external temperature sensor and the weather detection service at night by at least a predefined limit value, a positioning warning message is output.
- Method for detecting the position of an external temperature sensor of a heating system with a controller and compensation for incorrect positioning according to claim 1, characterised in that in the time between sunset and sunrise an average temperature difference between the temperatures of the external temperature sensor and the weather detection service is ascertained and this temperature difference is used as an offset for controlling the controller of the heating system by means of the data of the weather detection service.
- Method for detecting the position of an external temperature sensor of a heating system with a controller and compensation for incorrect positioning according to claim 1 or 2, characterised in that if the temperature difference between the external temperature sensor and the weather detection service changes significantly during the day, a position warning message is output.
- Method for detecting the position of an external temperature sensor of a heating system with a controller and compensation for incorrect positioning according to any of claims 1 to 3, characterised in that information on the correct or incorrect positioning is output to a specialist technician via a data link.
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