EP2282129A2 - Method for recognising a defective membrane expansion tank in a heating circuit with a burner - Google Patents
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
- F24—HEATING; RANGES; VENTILATING
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
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- the invention relates to a method for detecting a defective membrane expansion vessel in a heating circuit with a burner according to the preamble of patent claim 1.
- a method for detecting a defective membrane expansion vessel in a heating circuit with a burner is according to the DE 101 60 327 A1 known. As usual, this burner will be turned on and off during operation of the system. In this case, the pressure in the heating circuit rises and falls, wherein the current pressure data can be determined by means of a corresponding pressure sensor.
- a disadvantage of this solution is that to detect a defect (for example, gas side emptying) on the diaphragm expansion vessel this must be completely emptied.
- the invention is therefore an object of the invention to improve a method of the type mentioned.
- the proper functioning of the membrane expansion vessel can thus be continuously monitored while the system is running, as will be explained in detail below.
- a control evacuation of the expansion vessel is dispensable.
- heating system consists of a boiler 5 with burner 3 and a control unit 6.
- a heating circuit 2 is connected, which is provided in a known manner with a membrane expansion vessel 1 and a pressure sensor 4.
- the invention relates to a method for operating this heating system, in particular a method for detecting a defect in the membrane expansion vessel.
- Such a membrane expansion vessel 1 serves to compensate for pressure fluctuations in the heating circuit 2. These arise for example when switching on and off of the burner 3, since a temperature change of the heating medium medium leads directly to a pressure change in the closed heating circuit 2.
- the membrane expansion vessel 1 consists in a known manner of two volumes, between which an elastic membrane is arranged. One connected to the heating circuit 2 volume is filled with Edelnikwasser, the other with gas, the second volume is sealed to the outside and acts together with the membrane like a gas spring for the volume of water.
- This method is based on the finding that unusual high pressure difference in the heating circuit 2 when switching on and off the burner 3 is a sign of a defective membrane expansion vessel 1, namely because a defect of the expansion vessel 1 mainly consists in that a leak (on Housing of the vessel or the membrane) occurs and thus the spring action of the gas volume is released.
- FIG. 2 shows two burner runs (0: burner off, 1: burner on), wherein the membrane expansion vessel 1 (MAG) intact in the first burner run and defective in the second burner run, which, however, only from the analysis of FIG. 3 shows:
- p M1 is in FIG. 3 arising from the first, Named the left curve resulting pressure mean, which is below the pressure reference value p R also indicated.
- This pressure mean value p M is preferably calculated by corresponding integrative averaging of the pressure curve by a corresponding software. But other averaging algorithms come into consideration.
- this information (defect in the membrane expansion vessel 1 - safety risk for the entire heating system?) Is preferably optically and / or acoustically signaled, and particularly preferably and as in FIG. 1 represented by a provided on the boiler 5 control unit 6. This is also used to deposit the pressure reference value p R.
- the pressure mean value p M optionally only from a temperature reference value T R (which may be stored in the control unit 5) connected to the heating circuit 2, provided with the burner 3 boiler 5 or from a term reference value t R of the Breners 3 is compared with the pressure reference value p R.
- T R which may be stored in the control unit 5
- the proviso to compare the current temperature T of the boiler 5 with a temperature reference value T R takes into account that with a short burner run time or correspondingly low energy supply to the heating circuit, the pressure regularly increases only relatively little and Accordingly, a defect on the membrane expansion vessel 1 is practically invisible in such an operating state.
- a defect in the diaphragm expansion vessel 1 can only be determined if the burner 3 has been switched on for a certain amount of time (term reference value t R ), since too short a burner running time (for example if it runs in cyclic operation) does not lead to one for the Defect detection relevant increase in pressure in the heating circuit 2 leads.
- the pressure reference value p R and / or the temperature reference value T R is or are preferably adjustable on the control unit 6.
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Die Erfindung betrifft ein Verfahren zur Erkennung eines defekten Membranausdehnungsgefäßes in einem Heizkreis mit einem Brenner gemäß dem Oberbegriff des Patentanspruchs 1.The invention relates to a method for detecting a defective membrane expansion vessel in a heating circuit with a burner according to the preamble of
Ein Verfahren zur Erkennung eines defekten Membranausdehnungsgefäßes in einem Heizkreis mit einem Brenner ist nach der
Der Erfindung liegt dementsprechend die Aufgabe zugrunde, ein Verfahren der eingangs genannten Art zu verbessern.The invention is therefore an object of the invention to improve a method of the type mentioned.
Diese Aufgabe ist mit einem Verfahren der eingangs genannten Art durch die im Kennzeichen des Patentanspruchs 1 aufgeführten Merkmale gelöst.This object is achieved by a method of the type mentioned by the features listed in the characterizing part of
Nach der Erfindung ist also vorgesehen, dass aus den bei eingeschaltetem Brenner 3 ermittelten Druckdaten ein Druckmit-telwert gebildet und dieser mit einem Druckreferenzwert verglichen wird.According to the invention, it is thus provided that from the pressure data determined when the
Im Unterschied zum vorgenannten Stand der Technik kann somit die einwandfreie Funktion des Membranausdehnungsgefäßes bei laufender Anlage, was unten noch ausführlich erläutert wird, kontinuierlich überwacht werden. Eine Kontrollentleerung des Membranausdehnungsgefäßes ist entbehrlich.In contrast to the aforementioned prior art, the proper functioning of the membrane expansion vessel can thus be continuously monitored while the system is running, as will be explained in detail below. A control evacuation of the expansion vessel is dispensable.
Andere vorteilhafte Weiterbildungen des erfindungsgemäßen Verfahrens ergeben sich aus den abhängigen Patentansprüchen.Other advantageous developments of the method according to the invention will become apparent from the dependent claims.
Der Vollständigkeit halber wird noch auf die
Das erfindungsgemäßen Verfahren einschließlich seiner vorteilhaften Weiterbildungen gemäß der abhängigen Patentansprüche wird nachfolgend anhand der zeichnerischen Darstellung eines Ausführungsbeispiels näher erläutert.The inventive method including its advantageous developments according to the dependent claims will be explained in more detail with reference to the drawing of an embodiment.
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Figur 1- eine Heizungsanlage mit einem Heizkessel und einem Heizkreis mit Membranausdehnungsgefäß und Drucksen- sor;
Figur 2- einen Brennerlauf aufgetragen über der Zeit t [s] bei intaktem und bei defektem Membranausdehnungs- gefäß (MAG); und
Figur 3- einen Druckverlauf p [zum Beispiel in bar] aufge- tragen über der Zeit t [s] bei intaktem und bei de- fektem Membranausdehnungsgefäß (MAG).
- FIG. 1
- a heating system with a boiler and a heating circuit with a membrane expansion vessel and pressure sensor;
- FIG. 2
- a burner run applied over time t [s] with intact and defective membrane expansion vessel (MAG); and
- FIG. 3
- a pressure curve p [for example in bar] is plotted over time t [s] for intact and defective membrane expansion vessels (MAG).
Die in
Ein solches Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 dient dazu, Druckschwankungen im Heizkreis 2 auszugleichen. Diese entstehen zum Beispiel beim Ein- bzw. Ausschalten des Brenners 3, da eine Temperaturänderung des Heizkreismediums unmittelbar zu einer Druckänderung im geschlossenen Heizkreis 2 führt. Das Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 besteht in bekannter Weise aus zwei Volumina, zwischen denen eine elastische Membran angeordnet ist. Das eine, mit dem Heizkreis 2 verbundene Volumen ist mit Heizkreiswasser gefüllt, das andere mit Gas, wobei das zweite Volumen nach außen abgedichtet ist und zusammen mit der Membran wie eine Gasfeder für das Wasservolumen wirkt.Such a
Für das erfindungsgemäße Verfahren ist nun wesentlich, dass aus den bei eingeschaltetem Brenner 3 ermittelten Druckdaten ein Druckmittelwert pM gebildet und dieser mit einem Druckreferenzwert pR verglichen wird.For the method according to the invention, it is now essential that from the pressure data determined when the
Dieses Verfahren basiert auf der Erkenntnis, dass ungewöhnliche hohe Druckdifferenz im Heizkreis 2 beim Ein- und Ausschalten des Brenners 3 ein Zeichen für ein defektes Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 sind, und zwar weil ein Defekt des Membranausdehnungsgefäßes 1 vor allem darin besteht, dass gasseitig ein Leck (am Gehäuse des Gefäßes oder auch der Membran) auftritt und damit die Federwirkung des Gasvolumens aufgehoben wird.This method is based on the finding that unusual high pressure difference in the
Die
Betrachtet man im Vergleich dazu die zweite, rechte Kurve in
Ist also der Druckmittelwert pM größer als oder gleich dem Druckreferenzwert pR wird diese Information (Defekt am Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 - Sicherheitsrisiko für die gesamte Heizungsanlage!) vorzugsweise optisch und/oder akustisch signalisiert, und zwar besonders bevorzugt und wie in
Weiterhin ist bevorzugt vorgesehen, dass der Druckmittelwert pM wahlweise erst ab einem Temperaturreferenzwert TR (der auch in der Regeleinheit 5 hinterlegt sein kann) eines an den Heizkreis 2 angeschlossenen, mit dem Brenner 3 versehenen Heizkessels 5 oder ab einem Laufzeitreferenzwert tR des Breners 3 mit dem Druckreferenzwert pR verglichen wird. Die Maßgabe, die aktuelle Temperatur T des Heizkessels 5 mit einem Temperaturreferenzwert TR zu vergleichen, berücksichtigt, dass bei einer kurzen Brennerlaufzeit bzw. entsprechend niedriger Energiezufuhr zum Heizkreis der Druck regelmäßig nur relativ wenig ansteigt und ein Defekt am Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 dementsprechend bei einem solchen Betriebszustand praktisch nicht zu erkennen ist. In vergleichbarer Weise ist ein Defekt am Membranausdehnungsgefäß 1 nur dann zu ermitteln, wenn der Brenner 3 überhaupt eine gewisse Zeit (Laufzeitreferenzwert tR) eingeschaltet war, da eine zu kurze Brennerlaufzeit (zum Beispiel, wenn dieser im Taktbetrieb läuft) nicht zu einem für die Defekterkennung relevanten Druckanstieg im Heizkreis 2 führt.Furthermore, it is preferably provided that the pressure mean value p M optionally only from a temperature reference value T R (which may be stored in the control unit 5) connected to the
Um die Heizungsanlage flexibel betreiben und an entsprechende Umgebungssituationen anpassen zu können, ist schließlich bevorzugt vorgesehen, dass wahlweise der Druckreferenzwert pR und/oder der Temperaturreferenzwert TR vorzugsweise an der Regeleinheit 6 einstellbar ist bzw. sind.In order to be able to operate the heating system flexibly and to be able to adapt it to corresponding environmental situations, it is finally preferably provided that the pressure reference value p R and / or the temperature reference value T R is or are preferably adjustable on the
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- Membranausdehnungsgefäß (auch MAG)Membrane Expansion Tank (also MAG)
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- Heizkreisheating circuit
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- Brennerburner
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- Drucksensorpressure sensor
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- Heizkesselboiler
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- Regeleinheitcontrol unit
- pM p M
- DruckmittelwertPressure value
- pM1 p M1
- Druckmittelwert (bei intaktem Membranausdehnungsgefäß)Mean pressure (with intact diaphragm expansion vessel)
- pM2 p M2
- Druckmittelwert (bei defektem Membranausdehnungsgefäß)Pressure average (with defective diaphragm expansion tank)
- pR p R
- DruckreferenzwertPressure reference value
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- TemperaturreferenzwertTemperature reference
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dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass aus den bei eingeschaltetem Brenner (3) ermittelten Druckdaten ein Druckmittelwert (pM) gebildet und dieser mit einem Druckreferenzwert (pR) verglichen wird.Method for detecting a defective membrane expansion vessel (1) in a heating circuit (2) with a burner (3) which is switched on and off regulated, the heating circuit (2) being provided with a pressure sensor (4) for recording current pressure data,
characterized,
in that a pressure mean value (p M ) is formed from the pressure data determined when the burner (3) is switched on and this pressure is compared with a pressure reference value (p R ).
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass der Druckmittelwert (pM) wahlweise erst ab einem Temperaturreferenzwert (TR) eines an den Heizkreis (2) angeschlossenen, mit dem Brenner (3) versehenen Heizkessels (5) oder ab einem Laufzeitreferenzwert (tR) des Brenners (3) mit dem Druckreferenzwert (pR) verglichen wird.Method according to claim 1,
characterized,
that the pressure mean value (p M ) optionally only from a temperature reference value (T R ) connected to the heating circuit (2), provided with the burner (3) boiler (5) or from a term reference value (t R ) of the burner (3) the pressure reference value (p R ) is compared.
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass ein Defekt am Membranausdehnungsgefäß (1) vorzugsweise optisch und/oder akustisch signalisiert wird, wenn der Druckmittelwert (pM) größer als oder gleich dem Druckreferenzwert (pR) ist.Method according to claim 1 or 2,
characterized,
that a defect on the membrane expansion vessel (1) is preferably optically and / or acoustically signaled if the mean pressure value (P M) is greater than or equal to the pressure reference value (P R).
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass ein Defekt am Membranausdehnungsgefäß an einer Regeleinheit (6) eines an den Heizkreis (2) angeschlossenen, mit dem Brenner (3) versehenen Heizkessels (5) signalisiert wird.Method according to one of claims 1 to 3,
characterized,
that a defect on the membrane expansion vessel to a control unit (6) connected one to the heating circuit (2), with the burner (3) provided with the boiler (5) is signaled.
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass als Druckmittelwert (pM) ein integrativer Druckmittelwert (pM) verwendet wird.Method according to one of claims 1 to 4,
characterized,
that an integrated mean pressure value is used (p M) as the average pressure value (P M).
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass eine Regeleinheit (6) zur Hinterlegung wahlweise des Druckreferenzwertes (pR), des Laufzeitreferenzwertes (tR) und/oder des Temperaturreferenzwertes (TR) verwendet wird.Method according to one of claims 1 to 5,
characterized,
that a control unit (6) for depositing selectively the pressure reference value (P R), the run-time reference value (t R) and / or the temperature reference value (T R) is used.
dadurch gekennzeichnet,
dass wahlweise der Druckreferenzwert (pR), der Temperaturreferenzwert (TR) und/oder der Laufzeitreferenzwert (tR) vorzugsweise an der Regeleinheit (6) einstellbar ist bzw. sind.Method according to one of claims 1 to 6,
characterized,
in that optionally the pressure reference value (p R ), the temperature reference value (T R ) and / or the transit time reference value (t R ) is or are preferably adjustable on the control unit (6).
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