US3491583A - Method of measuring the dew-point,notably of combustion smokes,and apparatus for carrying out this method - Google Patents

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US3491583A
US3491583A US597591A US3491583DA US3491583A US 3491583 A US3491583 A US 3491583A US 597591 A US597591 A US 597591A US 3491583D A US3491583D A US 3491583DA US 3491583 A US3491583 A US 3491583A
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  • the invention has for object an apparatus for measuring the dew-point of combustion smokes, remarkable notably in that it comprises a smoke pick-up hose, a device for cooling the picked up smokes which comprises a tube through which the smokes are caused to flow and which is surrounded by an external medium at a lower temperature and at least one thermometric probe disposed in said tube in the vicinity of its outlet for measuring the dew temperature.
  • a heating for the smokes upstream of the tube to prevent any condensation before the outlet section of the tube and a humidifying device in the vicinity of said outlet section of the tube whereby the incipient condensations are blocked at the level of said probe.
  • the present invention has essentially for its object a method of measuring the dew-point, notably of combustion smokes of any installations, for example gas-operated systems, and also an apparatus for carrying out said method.
  • the apparatus further permits of continuously recording the temperature of the smokes produced by the combustion of gaseous or other fuels.
  • the standard device consists of a lithium chloride probe.
  • the probe itself is relatively cumbersome and must be placed into the atmosphere of combustion products; this apparatus is delicate, liable to misadjustment and becomes rapidly sooted (after only a few hours service) in a smoke chimney or duct.
  • the use of this probe is limited by the fact that it cannot withstand room temperatures in excess of a given limit; more particularly, it cannot be placed into the atmosphere of an oven.
  • This invention is concerned with a method of measuring dew-point values which is completely new and free of the inconveniences set forth hereinabove. More particularly, an apparatus for carrying out this method is constructionally very simple and permits the continuous recording of the dew-point of the smokes produced in all types of installations, irrespective of the original temperature of the smoke (taken for example from an oven or a "ice .smoke duct), and irrespective of the smoke output.
  • an apparatus for carrying out this method is constructionally very simple and permits the continuous recording of the dew-point of the smokes produced in all types of installations, irrespective of the original temperature of the smoke (taken for example from an oven or a "ice .smoke duct), and irrespective of the smoke output.
  • the apparatus of this invention has a good degree of precision, for example of the order of :0.5 C. for a dew-point temperature range substantially from room temperature to about C.
  • the method of this invention for measuring the dewpoint of smokes is remarkable notably in that a continuous, light and substantially constant output is derived from the smoke circuit, the smokes thus picked up being cooled between two points by causing same to circulate through a device maintained externally at a lower temperature, water being caused to condense at a given point of said device While taking care that no condensation takes place upstream of this given point, the temperature prevailing at this point being measured and correspond ing to the desired dew-point temperature, the smokes introduced into the device being heated sufficiently to prevent any condensation upstream of said given point.
  • an atmosphere of saturating humidity is maintained at the outlet of the aforesaid device, for example by using liquid-Water brought substantially to the temperature prevailing at the outlet of the device.
  • the heating of the smokes entering the device is reduced each time condensations tend to flow back downstream of the aforesaid point, and water is picked up from condensation or delivery or vaporization of water through the aforesaid means in said device, and the heating of smokes is increased or decreased before they penetrate into the device, according as a condensation aforesaid or a water vaporization aforesaid tends to take place, in order to correct or minimize this departure.
  • the water contained in the smokes is effectively constrained to commence its condensation at a welldefined point, the temperature obtaining at this'point being therefore equal to the dew-point to be found. It may be adequate to remind that the dew-point, for example of smokes, is the temperature at which the condensation begins, under a given pressure prevailing in the smokes,
  • An apparatus for carrying out the method of this invention is remarkable notably in that it comprises a duct of relatively small cross-sectional passage area for deriving one fraction of a smoke output, a device for cooling the smokes thus picked up, which comprises for example a tube through which the smokes are circulated, this tube being located in an external medium or atmosphere having a lower temperature than said smokes, and at least one thermometric probe such as a thermocouple or the like, secured in said tube in the vicinity of its outlet for measuring the dew-point; moreover, means are provided for heating the smokes upstream of said tube, that is, before the smokes penetrate into the tube, to prevent any condensation from taking place before the smokes reach the 3 outlet section of said tube which is substantially level with said thermocouple.
  • a humidifier operating under a substantially saturating water vapour pressure which comprises for example a reserve of liquid water brought substantially to the temperature prevailing at the outlet of said device, is provided in the vicinity of the outlet section of said tube.
  • thermometric probes which read respectively the smoke temperatures at the inlet and outlet of said tube, and also the temperature of said external atmosphere; moreover, the apparatus comprises a comparator, for example of electronic type, for comparinv the temperature discrepancies between said probes with the corresponding discrepancies produced in the absence of any condensation or water vaporization in the device; when possible corresponding departures or deviations from these temperature discrepancies appear, they are utilized for increasing or decreasing the heating in the aforesaid apparatus.
  • a comparator for example of electronic type
  • thermometric probes in the absence of any condensation or any water vaporization between the inlet and outlet sections of the tube in which the smokes are cooled; if water condenses or vaporizes between said inlet and outlet tube sections, the relationship previously existing between the three temperatures is no more true.
  • the condensation product-s are prevented from circulating up and down the tube beyond the point whereat the dew temperature is measured.
  • the condensation products are prevented from flowing down this tube; in other words, the first condensation products are caused to appear exactly in the outlet section of the tube and the smokes are efliciently and rapidly cooled; this arrangement also permits of controlling the aforesaid heating means by reducing its action when a corresponding variation in the temperatures measured by the probes becomes apparent, this variation being caused by the relatively intense cooling of the outlet section of the apparatus which is due to the water vaporization in the humidifier. It thus clear that with the apparatus or this invention the incipient condensation stopped in said outlet section of the tube. Therefore, reading the temperature prevailing in this section is like reading the dew temperature of the smokes.
  • the aforesaid heating means comprises an electrical heating resistance receiving current from the power output stage of an amplifier incorporated in the aforesaid electronic device, the input signal of this amplifier being substantially proportional to theaforesaid deviations.
  • This electronic device will advantageously utilize resistance probes, and under these conditions the smokes are heated automatically before they penetrate into said tube, the heating being constantly regulated by the smokes themselves which tend to start condensing at the very point where the dew temperature is measured, without causing neither any condensation upstream of this point, nor any water vaporization downstream of this point.
  • the humidifier With the humidifier mentioned hereina-bove if condensations tend to take place and flow down the tube, the humidifier will cause the water to evaporate in the outlet section of this tube, thus reducing the temperature along this section, and simultaneously reducing the heating action of said heating means; the cooling and heating of said tube are obtained automatically by stopping the first condensations, i.e. those taking place at the desired dew-point in the outlet section of said tube.
  • FIGURE 1 is a diagram illustrating the general disposal of an apparatus constructed according to the teachings of this invention for carrying out the method of measuring the dew-point, notably of combustion smokes;
  • FIGURE 2 is a very simplified wiring diagram illustrating the automatic heating of the upstream section of the pick-up tube utilized in the construction of an apparatus according to this invention.
  • FIGURE 3 is a sectional view showing on a larger scale a preferred form of embodiment of the apparatus.
  • the reference numeral -1 designates diagrammatically an enclosure in which smokes circulate, this enclosure consisting for example of a chimney or like duct.
  • a continuous light and substantially constant output is derived from the duct 1, for example by means of a suction pump (not shown ⁇ connected to the upstream end of the branch circuit 2 connected at 3 to the main duct 1.
  • a device 4 for example in the form of a tube or pipe, is mounted and adapted to receive therethrough the smoke picked up from the main duct 1; this tube 4 is cooled by external means, for example the surrounding atmosp'here, or any other suitable medium having the desired selected temperature.
  • the reference numrals '5, 6 and 7 designate three thermometric probes measuring respectively temperatures of the smoke at the inlet and outlet ends of tube 4, and of the cooling medium surrounding this tube 4.
  • t t and t-; are the temperatures measured respectively by probes 5, 6 and 7, and if a: is the means heat transfer coefiicient between the smokes circulating in the tube 4 and the air surrounding this tube,
  • the relation (2) should be obtained in all cases as long as no condensation or. additional water vaporization takes place in the tube 4.
  • FIGURE 2 a simplified wiring diagram is illustrated to set in sharper contrast the above-defined variation A.
  • the device permitting of evidencing this variation is mounted across the positive and negative terminals 8 and 9 of a suitable source of current; mounted across the terminals 8 and 9 of the supply circuit are series resistances R 1O; R -11 and R 12 respectively.
  • Resistances 10, 11 and 12 may have the same characteristics and for example a very high value with respect to the other resistances R R and R7. Three currents of substantially equal intensity will thus flow through the parallel branches R 10, R 11 and R -12.
  • Resistances R R and R actually consist respectively of the resistances of the thermometric probes 5, '6 and 7 which in this case are advantageously of the resistance type.
  • Two bridge mountings, utilizing suitable variable resistances 13 to 16, are provided, their characteristics being such that voltages designated hereinafter with reference to the potential V of terminal 8, can be derived from the intermediate points 17 and 18 of said bridges, respectively, as follows:
  • K and K are constants depending on the selected values of resistances 13' to 16.
  • a power amplifier 19' is connected at 17' and 18' to the aforesaid intermediate points 17 and 18 respectively, it receives a signal:
  • resistances R R and R are preferably selected from the type varying linearly as a function of temperature, these resistances are linear functions of the aforesaid temperatures t t and t eventually, the signal fed to the input of power amplifier 19 has the pattern:
  • the output stage of power amplifier 19 has its terminals 45-, 46 connected to a heating resistance 20 disposed upstream of tube 4 in the smoke pick-up circuit 2.
  • the output signal delivered by the power amplified 19 is reduced to its means value S corresponding to a moderate heating of the smokes before they enter the tube 4.
  • the calibration of the device illustrated diagrammatically in FIGURE 2 is effected by simply adjusting the resistances 13 to 16 and visually limiting the formation of condensations at the base of tube 4 by observing the formation of mist on the wall of this tube.
  • the apparatus may also be calibrated from smokes of which the dewpoint is known with precision, by adjusting the resistances 13 to 16 until the dew temperature indicated by the corresponding probe of the apparatus is in harmony with the known dew-point.
  • This calibration obviously consists in identifying A and A.
  • FIGURE 3 there is shown more in detail the manner in which the apparatus illustrated in a purely diagrammatic form in FIGURE 1 is constructed.
  • the same reference numerals designate corresponding parts of the assembly shown in FIGURES 1 and 3.
  • the tube or pipe 4 is surrounded by a pair of coaxial concentric cylinders or ducts 21, 22.
  • the smoke derived from the main duct 1 through the branch hose 23 penetrates into a first or inlet section 24 of this tube 4, and flows through the central or intermediate section of the tube before attaining the outlet section 25 thereof; then, the smoke rises in the annular space" 26 formed between this tube 4 and the first concentric cylinder 21 (the aperture of the outlet section 25 of tube 4 being at a somewhat higher level than the lower edge of cylinder 21), and flows along the annular portion 27 formed between the concentric cylinders 21 and 22 after passing through orifices 28 formed through the wall of the upper portion of cylinder 21, the smoke being finally exhausted through a suction pipe 29 for example towards a suction pump (not shown).
  • a pair of plugs 30 and 31 of adequate material is provided for sealing the upper and lower ends respectively of cylinders 21 and 22.
  • Plug 30 has a central orifice formed therein, in which the inlet section 24 of tube 4 is fitted, and plug 31 has a smaller central orifice formed therein in which a slender tube 32 is fitted to permit the passage of electric wires 34, 35, 36 and 37 connected respectively to the resistance probes 5, 6 and 7 and also to a thermocouple 38 disposed in the outlet section 25 of tube 4.
  • the smoke suction pipe 29 has its inlet end disposed above the top of the lower plug 31, a small reserve of condensed water 39 accumulates in the bottom of the device.
  • the probe 6 is surrounded by a grid or like member 40 rigid with a wick 41 having its lower end immersed in the condensation Water 39 filling the bottom of the apparatus.
  • a cavity 42 is formed in said plug 31 to enable the water condensing mainly on the inner walls of the outer cylinder 22 to penetrate into the inner cylinder 21.
  • the connecting wire 37 of thermocouple 38 constitutes the support of grid 40.
  • the complete device is mounted on a base 43 consisting for example of the casing or body of the smoke suction pump (not shown).
  • a heating resistance 44 is coiled about the pipe 29 to prevent any condensation of the outgoing smoke, and therefore protect the pump from possible damages.
  • the various cylindrical members or ducts 22, 21 and 4 as well as the inlet and outlet sections 24 and 25 of tube 4 are made of transparent material.
  • Sections 24 and 25 are made of a glass having a poor heat conductivity, the central section 4 consisting of another transparent material having a better heat-conductivity, or of thinner glass.
  • the operation of the device illustrated in FIGURE 3 is clearly apparent from the foregoing and notably from the explanations given hereinabove in connection with the description of the preceding FIGURES 1 and 2.
  • the resistance probe 7 is actually impregnated or soaked with the external medium provided for cooling the tube 4, but considering its position in the annular space 26 it is normally not subjected to the temperature variations of the surrounding atmosphere or any other medium external to the outermost cylindrical wall 22. The operation of the device is thus made more accurate.
  • the probe 7 is disposed substantially intermediate the ends of tube 4.
  • this device is calibrated when starting the operation of the apparatus by so selecting the values of resistances 13 and 16 that the power amplifier 19 delivers a stronger current to the heating resistance 20 each time a condensation tends to develop in the central section 4 of the central tube and a weaker current each time a water vaporization 39 tends to take place in the same tube.
  • This is obtained either by simply observing the formation of condensed droplets on the wall of said tube, since the various ducts 4, 21 and 22 are made of transparent material, or by utilizing smokes of which the dewpoint is exactly known, and so adjusting the apparatus that the temperature measured by the thermocouple 38 be exactly the same as this dew-point.
  • the device is regulated automatically and the thermocouple 38 will indicate at any time the dew-point of the smoke to be analyzed.
  • the response time of the regulating means of this device may be controlled by varying the velocity of fiow of the smoke along the tube 4.
  • the electronic device shown in diagrammatic form in FIGURE 2 must be properly calibrated.
  • the section 23 upstream of tube 4 may be heated by non-automatic means, for example by using a device of the type shown diagrammatically in FIG- URE 2 and responsive to the three probes 5, 6 and 7.
  • non-automatic means for example by using a device of the type shown diagrammatically in FIG- URE 2 and responsive to the three probes 5, 6 and 7.
  • the temperature read by the thermocouple 38 at that time is the dew-point looked for.
  • the reserve of water 39 is fed by the water condensation taking place along the internal wall of duct 22 and the external wall of duct 21, so that the apparatus cannot fall short of the water medium necessary for its regulation, during its operation, even if the latter is protracted indefinitely. In fact, when the apparatus operates normally these walls are at a lower temperature than the dewpoint of the smoke derived from duct 1.
  • a method of measuring the dew-point of combustion smokes by using a continuous, light and substantially constant output derived from the smoke circuit, causing the smokes picked up to flow and to cool between the inlet and the outlet of a device kept externally at a temperature lower to that of said smokes, letting water to condense from the smokes in said device, and measuring the temperature at which the condensation takes place, wherein, in order that the condensation occurs at'a given point of the device where the temperature is measured the smokes are heated upstream of said given point each time the condensation tends to go upstream of said given point and are cooled each time the condensation tends to go downstream of said given point, by measuring firstly the temperature t prevailing at the inlet of the device, secondly the temperature 1 prevailing at the outlet of the device and thirdly the temperature t prevailing externally of said device, maintaining at said point a saturated atmosphere, providing means to heat the smokes upstream of the device, and increasing the heating of the smokes upstream of said point each time the diiference (r 't tends
  • a device for measuring the dew-point temperature of combustion smokes flowing in a duct of the type comprising a branch duct of reduced cross-section for a continuous smoke pick-up output, at least a tube through which said output is caused to flow, said tube being surrounded by external medium having a temperature lower than that of said smokes, at least one thermometric probe disposed with in said tube in the vicinity of its outlet measuring the dew temperature, and humidifying means in the vicinity of said outlet comprising a reserve of water brought substantially to the temperature prevailing at the outlet of the device, comprising at the measuring point where said probe is disposed, means providing a saturated atmosphere vaporizing water from said reserve of water each time any water condensation tends to occur downstream of said measuring point, electrical heating means mounted upstream of said tube for heating said smoke output before its inlet in said tube in view to avoid any water condensation to rise upstream of said measuring point, control means for controlling said heating means, and pump means for pumping in said device a substantially constant output fiow of smokes, three thermometric probes of the resistance type measuring respectively
  • a device wherein said tube is disposed substantially vertically with its inlet at the upper end and its outlet at the lower end, this outlet opening in the vicinity of the bottom of a first coaxial duct surrounding said tube, said first duct presenting at its upper end, at a level near that of said tube inlet, openings communicating with the top of a second coaxial duct surrounding said first duct and having in the vicinity of its bottom an output tone for the exhaust of the smokes, said second duct being sealed at its bottom by a lower plug and at its top by an upper plug, said tube passing through a central opening of said upper plug, and said first duct abutting by its upper and lower ends against said upper and lower plugs, said outlet 9 1O orifice formed in said second duet being disposed slightly References Cited above said lower plug, and at least an opening being formed at the lower end of said first duct for the com- UNITED STATES PATENTS munication of the inner spaces between said first and 3 177 71 4 1 5 warman 73 17

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