FR3064804A1 - MECHANICAL SYSTEM FOR REMOVING THE "LARSEN" EFFECT ON ELECTROACOUSTIC GUITARS - Google Patents

MECHANICAL SYSTEM FOR REMOVING THE "LARSEN" EFFECT ON ELECTROACOUSTIC GUITARS Download PDF

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FR3064804A1
FR3064804A1 FR1700636A FR1700636A FR3064804A1 FR 3064804 A1 FR3064804 A1 FR 3064804A1 FR 1700636 A FR1700636 A FR 1700636A FR 1700636 A FR1700636 A FR 1700636A FR 3064804 A1 FR3064804 A1 FR 3064804A1
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Système mécanique permettant la suppression de l'effet « Larsen » sur les guitares électroacoustiques. Les guitares électroacoustiques sont très sensibles au retour de son venant de l'amplificateur car celui-ci est capté par la caisse qui le transmet à nouveau au microphone ce qui crée instantanément une boucle de son que l'on appelle « Larsen ». Pour éviter et supprimer totalement ce phénomène il suffit de relier la table et le dos par une entretoise située de préférence sous le chevalet. De manière à ce que cette entretoise soit encore plus efficace, on peut la relier à 2 barrages transversaux (table + dos et parallèles au chevalet de préférence) qui occupent la largeur de la caisse de préférence, ceci afin de rendre la table et le dos solidaires l'un de l'autre. Lorsque le son émis par la guitare sort de l'ampli et revient sur la caisse, les deux faces reçoivent celui-ci simultanément. Le son étant une succession de pression et dépression, lorsque l'air est en surpression les deux faces de la guitare auraient tendance à s'enfoncer mais cela leur est impossible car l'entretoise travaille alors en compression et empêche cela (aidée par les deux barrages). De même, lorsque l'air est en dépression les deux faces auraient tendance à s'écarter, mais cela leur est également impossible puisque l'entretoise travaille alors en traction et empêche cela (aidée par les 2 barrages). Ainsi, dans les deux cas l'effet Larsen ne peut se produire.Mechanical system allowing the suppression of the "Larsen" effect on electroacoustic guitars. Electroacoustic guitars are very sensitive to the return of sound coming from the amplifier because it is picked up by the body that transmits it back to the microphone which instantly creates a loop of sound that is called "Larsen". To avoid and completely eliminate this phenomenon simply connect the table and back by a spacer preferably located under the bridge. In order for this spacer to be even more effective, it can be connected to two transverse dams (table + backs and parallel to the easel preferably) which occupy the width of the box preferably, this in order to make the table and the back in solidarity with each other. When the sound emitted by the guitar comes out of the amp and returns to the body, both sides receive it simultaneously. The sound is a succession of pressure and depression, when the air is overpressure both sides of the guitar would tend to sink but it is impossible because the spacer works then in compression and prevents it (helped by both dams). Similarly, when the air is in depression the two faces would tend to deviate, but this is also impossible since the spacer then works in traction and prevents this (helped by the two dams). Thus, in both cases the Larsen effect can not occur.

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Titre de l’inventionTitle of the invention

Système mécanique permettant la suppression de l’effet « Larsen » sur les guitares électroacoustiquesMechanical system allowing the elimination of the "Larsen" effect on electroacoustic guitars

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Domaine technique : instruments de musique électroacoustiquesTechnical area: electroacoustic musical instruments

État de la technique antérieure : rien de similaireState of the prior art: nothing similar

Exposé de l’invention : Les guitares électroacoustiques sont très sensibles au retour de son venant de l'amplificateur car celui-ci est capté par la caisse qui le transmet à nouveau au microphone (quelqu’en soit le type mais généralement piézo) ce qui crée instantanément une boucle de son que l'on appelle « Larsen ».Disclosure of the invention: Electroacoustic guitars are very sensitive to the return of sound coming from the amplifier because it is picked up by the body which transmits it again to the microphone (whatever the type but generally piezo) which instantly creates a sound loop called "feedback".

Pour éviter et supprimer totalement ce phénomène il suffit de relier la table et le dos par une entretoise située de préférence sous le chevalet.To avoid and completely eliminate this phenomenon, simply connect the table and the back with a spacer preferably located under the easel.

De manière à ce que cette entretoise soit encore plus efficace on peut la relier (généralement par collage) à 2 barrages transversaux (table + dos et parallèles au chevalet de préférence) qui occupent la largeur de la caisse de préférence (ou bien relient deux autres barrages disposées de manière traditionnelle et quelles que soient leurs orientations) ceci afin de rendre la table et le dos solidaires l’un de l’autre.So that this spacer is even more effective, it can be connected (generally by gluing) to 2 transverse dams (table + back and preferably parallel to the easel) which occupy the width of the body preferably (or else connect two others dams arranged in a traditional way and whatever their orientation) this in order to make the table and the back integral with each other.

Lorsque le son émis par la guitare sort de l'ampli et revient sur la caisse, les deux faces reçoivent celui-ci simultanément. Le son étant une succession de pression et dépression, lorsque l'air est en surpression les deux faces de la guitare auraient tendance à s'enfoncer mais cela leur est impossible car l’entretoise travaille alors en compression et empêche cela (aidée par les deux barrages). De même, lorsque l'air est en dépression les deux faces auraient tendance à s'écarter, mais cela leur est également impossible puisque l’entretoise travaille alors en traction et empêche cela (aidée par les 2 barrages). Ainsi, dans les deux cas l’effet Larsen ne peut se produire.When the sound emitted by the guitar leaves the amplifier and returns to the body, the two sides receive it simultaneously. The sound being a succession of pressure and depression, when the air is in overpressure the two faces of the guitar would tend to sink but this is impossible for them because the spacer then works in compression and prevents this (helped by both dams). Similarly, when the air is in depression the two faces would tend to move apart, but this is also impossible for them since the spacer then works in traction and prevents this (helped by the 2 dams). Thus, in both cases the Larsen effect cannot occur.

Ce système peut également être utilisé sur tous les instruments de musique électroacoustiques comportant cet ensemble : microphone + caisse de résonance (ukulélé, mandoline, dobro, etc ...).This system can also be used on all electroacoustic musical instruments comprising this set: microphone + sound box (ukulele, mandolin, dobro, etc ...).

Il est utile de noter que ce principe (et uniquement pour l’entretoise) ne correspond en rien à ce que l'on rencontre sur les violons, contrebasses ou violoncelles et que l'on appelle « âme ». En effet, la fonction de cette pièce îo (âme) est de répartir l'effort de chevalet sur la table et le dos de l'instrument, ainsi que de propager le son que reçoit le chevalet sur le dos de l'instrument. Ces deux fonctions ne sont en aucun cas celles recherchées sur une guitare électroacoustique par ce système. En effet, d'une part les guitares électroacoustiques ne comportent pas cette pièce (âme), car elle possède des barrages pour renforcer la table et le dos. De plus, le micro se trouve uniquement sur la table et donc transmettre le son au dos ne présente aucun intérêt pour les guitares électroacoustiques.It is useful to note that this principle (and only for the spacer) does not correspond in any way to what is encountered on violins, double basses or cellos and which is called "soul". Indeed, the function of this piece îo (soul) is to distribute the bridge effort on the table and the back of the instrument, as well as to propagate the sound that the bridge receives on the back of the instrument. These two functions are in no way those sought on an electroacoustic guitar by this system. Indeed, on the one hand the electroacoustic guitars do not include this piece (soul), because it has dams to strengthen the table and the back. In addition, the microphone is only on the table and therefore transmitting sound on the back is of no interest for electroacoustic guitars.

Ce système peut donc également être utilisé sur les instruments tels que violons, contrebasses, violoncelles, etc ... (en utilisation électroacoustique) dans le cas où l’on utilise ce procédé soit par le collage de cette entretoise (traditionnellement l’âme ne l’est pas), soit par l’ajout de barrages. Traditionnellement ces instruments ne possèdent pas de barrage.This system can therefore also be used on instruments such as violins, double basses, cellos, etc ... (in electroacoustic use) in the case where this process is used, either by gluing this spacer (traditionally the soul does not is not), either by adding dams. Traditionally these instruments do not have a barrier.

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RevendicationsClaims 1 - Dispositif qui permet de supprimer l’effet « Larsen » sur les instruments de musique électroacoustiques, donc qui comportent l’ensemble : microphone + caisse de résonance, caractérisé en ce qu’il comporte une1 - Device which makes it possible to suppress the "Larsen" effect on electroacoustic musical instruments, therefore which comprise the whole: microphone + sound box, characterized in that it comprises a 5 entretoise qui relie la table et le dos afin de les rendre solidaires l’un de l’autre.5 spacer that connects the table and the back in order to make them interdependent. 2 - Dispositif selon la revendication 1 caractérisé en ce que ce procédé s’applique particulièrement aux guitares électroacoustiques.2 - Device according to claim 1 characterized in that this process is particularly applicable to electroacoustic guitars. 3 - Dispositif selon la revendication 1 ou 2 caractérisé en ce que cette îo entretoise est située sous le chevalet.3 - Device according to claim 1 or 2 characterized in that this iso spacer is located under the easel. 4 - Dispositif selon la revendication 1 ou 3 caractérisé en ce que l’action de cette entretoise est rendu encore plus efficace si elle est fixée par collage, de manière à travailler autant en traction qu’en compression.4 - Device according to claim 1 or 3 characterized in that the action of this spacer is made even more effective if it is fixed by gluing, so as to work as much in tension as in compression. 5 - Dispositif selon la revendication 1 ou 3 caractérisé en ce que l’action 15 de cette entretoise est rendu encore plus efficace en la reliant à 2 barrages sur la table et sur le dos.5 - Device according to claim 1 or 3 characterized in that the action 15 of this spacer is made even more effective by connecting it to 2 dams on the table and on the back. 6 - Dispositif selon la revendication 5 caractérisé en ce que l’action de ces barrages est rendu encore plus efficace s’ils sont transversaux et parallèles au chevalet.6 - Device according to claim 5 characterized in that the action of these dams is made even more effective if they are transverse and parallel to the bridge. 20 7 - Dispositif selon la revendication 5 ou 6 caractérisé en ce que l’action de ces barrages est rendu encore plus efficace s’ils occupent toute la largeur de la caisse.7 - Device according to claim 5 or 6 characterized in that the action of these dams is made even more effective if they occupy the entire width of the body.
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JPH11143456A (en) * 1997-11-14 1999-05-28 Kenji Sugita Guitar
US20050188814A1 (en) * 2004-02-12 2005-09-01 David Bell Dual saddle bridge
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