EP2238340A1 - A system for energy support in a cdi system - Google Patents
A system for energy support in a cdi systemInfo
- Publication number
- EP2238340A1 EP2238340A1 EP09709358A EP09709358A EP2238340A1 EP 2238340 A1 EP2238340 A1 EP 2238340A1 EP 09709358 A EP09709358 A EP 09709358A EP 09709358 A EP09709358 A EP 09709358A EP 2238340 A1 EP2238340 A1 EP 2238340A1
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- EP
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- Prior art keywords
- switching unit
- voltage control
- primary winding
- spark
- energy
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
- F02—COMBUSTION ENGINES; HOT-GAS OR COMBUSTION-PRODUCT ENGINE PLANTS
- F02P—IGNITION, OTHER THAN COMPRESSION IGNITION, FOR INTERNAL-COMBUSTION ENGINES; TESTING OF IGNITION TIMING IN COMPRESSION-IGNITION ENGINES
- F02P1/00—Installations having electric ignition energy generated by magneto- or dynamo- electric generators without subsequent storage
- F02P1/08—Layout of circuits
- F02P1/086—Layout of circuits for generating sparks by discharging a capacitor into a coil circuit
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
- F02—COMBUSTION ENGINES; HOT-GAS OR COMBUSTION-PRODUCT ENGINE PLANTS
- F02P—IGNITION, OTHER THAN COMPRESSION IGNITION, FOR INTERNAL-COMBUSTION ENGINES; TESTING OF IGNITION TIMING IN COMPRESSION-IGNITION ENGINES
- F02P3/00—Other installations
- F02P3/06—Other installations having capacitive energy storage
- F02P3/08—Layout of circuits
- F02P3/0853—Layout of circuits for control of the dwell or anti-dwell time
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
- F02—COMBUSTION ENGINES; HOT-GAS OR COMBUSTION-PRODUCT ENGINE PLANTS
- F02D—CONTROLLING COMBUSTION ENGINES
- F02D2400/00—Control systems adapted for specific engine types; Special features of engine control systems not otherwise provided for; Power supply, connectors or cabling for engine control systems
- F02D2400/06—Small engines with electronic control, e.g. for hand held tools
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- F—MECHANICAL ENGINEERING; LIGHTING; HEATING; WEAPONS; BLASTING
- F02—COMBUSTION ENGINES; HOT-GAS OR COMBUSTION-PRODUCT ENGINE PLANTS
- F02D—CONTROLLING COMBUSTION ENGINES
- F02D2400/00—Control systems adapted for specific engine types; Special features of engine control systems not otherwise provided for; Power supply, connectors or cabling for engine control systems
- F02D2400/14—Power supply for engine control systems
Definitions
- the present invention relates to a system and also a method for generating energy/power in a CDI system, said system comprising at least one charge winding which by means of a fly wheel and via a first rectifier device charges a charge capacitor connected to a primary winding of an ignition voltage transformer in order to provide said primary winding with energy for generation of a spark via a secondary winding of said transformer.
- Ignition systems are known, without the use of battery support, and are also available on the market. However, known such systems all do show one or more disadvantages, seemingly due to accepting compromises regarding functionality to be able to eliminate battery support. It is known to, instead of battery support, use a separate small generator which however presents some disadvantages such as additional cost. Also other solutions are known, for instance, EP0727578, which shows an inductive ignition-system, wherein power is (instead of battery) taken from a primary winding to control ignition timing, i.e. control of the spark advance, but without providing any other functionality that might be desired. Further, the control circuit as such is rather complex and rather inflexible.
- the object of the present invention is to provide an improved system for generating energy/power in a CDI system, which is achieved by means of a system as defined in claim 1.
- Fig 1 shows a schematic wiring diagram presenting a voltage control/switching unit according to the invention integrated in a typical CDI system wherein several triggering alternatives are depicted
- FIG. 2 shows in more detail a first alternative, depicted in Fig. 1, of an embodiment of the voltage control/switching unit according to the invention described in Fig. 1 ,
- FIG. 1 shows in more detail a second alternative, depicted in Fig. 1, of an embodiment of the voltage control/switching unit according to the invention described in Fig.
- Fig 1 shows a schematic wiring diagram consisting of a voltage control/switching unit 10 according to the invention integrated in a somewhat simplified form of a typical CDI system.
- the CDI system comprises of an iron core Tl provided with four conventionally arranged windings, L, T, P and S, which are magnetised by means of one or several magnets integrated in the flywheel which at the rotation of the flywheel will sweep past the end portions of the iron core Tl.
- the variant with several magnets could be used for providing (from a general point of view) a more powerful generator which in addition to the function as ignition voltage generator also could be used for other purposes, for example fuel injection systems or handle heating on chain saws.
- the relative magnet movement induces a voltage in the windings L, T, P and S according to the following.
- a so called charge winding L there is induced a voltage which is used for the spark generation, as such.
- the charge winding L is via one of its end points 1 connected via rectifier devices Dl to a charge capacitor Cl, in which the energy will be stored until the spark will be activated, and to a thyristor Ql.
- the other end point 2 of the winding L is connected to earth.
- a so called trigger winding T is connected with a first end point 7 to earth and a second end point 8 to an input terminal InI 1 of an ignition control unit Ml and delivers to this input terminal information about the position and velocity of the flywheel and preferably also power supply to the control unit Ml, e.g. to the processor thereof.
- the control unit Ml may comprise of an only slightly modified version of a known, conventional control unit.
- the third winding P constitutes the primary winding and the fourth winding S the secondary winding of a transformer 30 for generating ignition voltage to a spark plug SPl.
- the end point 4 of the third winding P as well as the end point 5 of the fourth winding S is connected to earth.
- an output terminal Outl 1 on the control unit Ml is activated when the ignition voltage should be delivered to the spark plug.
- the switching device (the thyristor) Ql having a trigger electrode of which is connected to the output terminal Outl 1 creates a current path to earth which results in the connection of the voltage over the capacitor Cl to the primary winding P.
- a voltage transient is then generated in the secondary winding S due to the very high voltage derivative in the connection point 12 at the anode of the thyristor Ql .
- the state in the transformer 30 changes into a damped self-oscillation in which the energy transits between the inductor P and the capacitor Cl through the switching device Ql.
- a voltage control/switching unit 10 that controls output of power, at Out21, from the primary winding P which power may be used to drive a device (e.g. a sensor and/or a solenoid) externally of the ignition system.
- the voltage control/switching unit 10 is shown to have two input terminals In21 and In22 and one output terminal Out21.
- a first input terminal In22 is connected to the output terminal InI 2 on ignition control unit Ml, and the second input terminal In21 is connected to the capacitor Cl and to the end 3 of the primary winding P via a connection point 11.
- the switching unit 10 is significant in that the switching (to the off mode) is only performed during a part of a complete revolution of the flywheel, and in such a way that the switching unit 10 is switched off for a desired time period (e.g. 100 ⁇ s) for not disturbing the generation of the spark.
- a signal to In21 or In22 or both terminals In21 and In22 together initiates or affects the switching unit 10 to switch off during a part of a revolution of the flywheel, before or in connection with, the said control unit (Ml) initiating said spark, to not negatively affect said generation of spark.
- the unit 10 is in its "on mode", whereby an output of about 0,5-2 W is obtained at Out21, at a flywheel speed of as low as 2000 rpm.
- connection 9 connecting the ignition control Ml and the voltage control/switching unit 10, enables a feedback and information about the charge/load level of a charge capacitor 14, described in Fig. 2, and the connection 9 can also be utilized for a change of the switch frequency etc. over the rpm.
- the operation and method of the switching unit 10 according to the invention, and described in Fig 1 and 2, is such that the switching is managed/controlled by information from the in-signal on input terminals In21 and In22, either together or separately, dependent on specific needs/desires.
- the switch control 19 will be controlled to switch off at a, regarding this kind of application, short period of time before the ignition control unit Ml will control the opening of the thyristor Q 1 , which starts the current flow through the primary winding P and generates the spark in SPl. Shortly after termination of the spark the control unit Ml will again close the thyristor Ql and also activate the switch control 19 to be set in the on mode.
- Fig. 2 shows in more detail a first embodiment of the voltage control/switching unit 10 according to the invention, that is indicated in Fig. 1, as one of the options to trigger/control the voltage control/switching unit 10.
- the voltage control/switching unit 10 is shown to comprise a switch control 19, a diode 13, a switch element 15 and a charge capacitor 14.
- the anode side of the diode 13 is connected to the input terminal In21 and the cathode side is connected to a first connector 16 of the switch element 15.
- a second connector 18 of the switch element 15 is connected to the output terminal Out21 and to the charge capacitor 14.
- the switch control 19 which controls the switching of the voltage control/switching unit 10, is connected to a connector 17 of the switch element 15 and to the input terminal In22.
- the switch element 15 may comprise various components available on the market e.g. a thyristor, a Triac etc.
- the purpose of the switch control 19 is to control that the switch element 15 is switched off during a desired (e.g. preset in the CPU of the control unit Ml) period of time, e.g. lOO ⁇ S, starting at or immediately before the generation of spark.
- the switching signals In22 are controlled by software and/or hardware and a CPU in the ignition control Ml, which normally implies conventional TTL-signals, e.g.
- Fig. 3 shows in more detail a second embodiment of the switching unit 10 according to the invention, depicted in Fig. 1 as one of the options.
- the switching unit 10 comprises, of a Triac or thyristor or other suitable switching element 21, a spark initiation detection unit 25, the capacitor 14 and the switch control 19. Whereof one power terminal 22 of the Triac 21 is connected to the input terminal In21 (which is corresponding to the diode 13 in Fig 2) and a second power terminal 23 is connected to the output terminal Out21.
- the capacitor 14, connected between the output terminal Out21 and earth, is stabilizing the outgoing voltage of the output terminal Out21, i.e. supplying power during the off mode of the control/switching unit 10.
- the switch control 19, which controls the switching of the switching unit 10, is connected to the gate 24 of the Triac 21 (which is corresponding to the switch element 15 in Fig 2).
- the spark initiation detection unit 25, which is integrated in the switch control 19, is connected via a connection S21 to the input terminal In21 which means, according to this example, that the voltage control/switching unit 10 is connected to the CDI system via the connection In21 only.
- the operation and method of the switching unit 10 shown in Fig 3, is such that the switching is managed/controlled by information from the in-signal on the input terminal In21 , which is given by the voltage transient (amplitude and/or pulse-form) in the primary winding P created when initiating the spark generation which is detected by the spark initiation detection unit 25, which in turn generates a signal to the switch control 19, whereby the switch control 19 immediately switches off the voltage control/switching unit 10.
- the core of the switch element in this embodiment is the Triac 21 that switches off during a certain period of time, e.g. in the range of 80-120 ⁇ S.
- the signal to switch off is not generated before the start of generation of the spark but a short time (e.g.
- the switching may preferably be controlled by the amplitude or pulse-form of the primary winding P, wherein the signals and current flow is caused by the magnetism of the passing flywheel. Accordingly, e.g. the detection of a negative pulse on the primary winding P may be used to cause an immediate interrupt i.e. an immediate switch off of the voltage control/switching unit 10 or possibly, if desired, with a preset delayed or premature triggering.
- an immediate interrupt i.e. an immediate switch off of the voltage control/switching unit 10 or possibly, if desired, with a preset delayed or premature triggering.
- the components of a system according to the invention may be chosen within a wide range to provide the functionality as intended by the invention.
- the components of a system according to the invention may be chosen within a wide range to provide the functionality as intended by the invention.
- there are some basic requirements e.g. that there is a charge winding L that is sufficiently powerful to generate needed energy, i.e. within the range of 1-15 mWs.
- one advantage of the switching unit 10 according to the invention is the ability to utilize the primary winding for generation of an electrical power, and this in alignment with a very low impact on the performance of the CDI system, i.e. the sparking generation, and regarding burn-time, ignition voltage, energy and the peak power.
- the generated energy/power can be used for supplying of internal or external units e.g. sensors, solenoids.
- the switch unit 10 can also be used for limiting output power. This can be implemented as a voltage control device which then will regulate output voltage by switching unit 10 on/or off as a reaction to variations in both output load and engine rpm.
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