DE102008013943A1 - Hot water tank, has anode isolated to enamelled container, where change of anode current is determined based on comparison of anode current with absolute upper threshold value, absolute lower threshold value and/or relative threshold value - Google Patents
Hot water tank, has anode isolated to enamelled container, where change of anode current is determined based on comparison of anode current with absolute upper threshold value, absolute lower threshold value and/or relative threshold value Download PDFInfo
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Die vorliegende Erfindung betrifft einen Warmwasser-Speicher und eine Testvorrichtung zum Testen einer Anode in einem Warmwasser-Speicher.The The present invention relates to a hot water storage and a Test device for testing an anode in a hot water tank.
Bei Warmwasser-Speichern mit einem stahlemaillierten Speicher wird typischerweise eine Anode als Korrosionsschutz verwendet. Somit können beispielsweise Defekte in der Emaillierung geschützt werden.at Hot water storage with a steel enamelled store is typically an anode used as corrosion protection. Thus, for example Defects in enameling are protected.
Es ist somit eine Aufgabe der vorliegenden Erfindung, einen Warmwasser-Speicher vorzusehen, welcher eine verbesserte Testmöglichkeit der verwendeten Anode aufweist.It is thus an object of the present invention, a hot water tank to provide, which improved test possibility of used anode.
Diese Aufgabe wird durch einen Warmwasser-Speicher gemäß Anspruch 1 gelöst.These The object is achieved by a hot water storage according to claim 1 solved.
Die Erfindung betrifft somit den Gedanken, einen Warmwasser-Speicher mit einem emaillierten Stahlbehälter, einer isolierten Anode und einer Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit vorzusehen. Hierbei wird der Anodenstrom gemessen, wobei die Anode gegenüber dem Speicher isoliert ausgestaltet ist. Während des Messvorganges wird die Verbindung zwischen der Anode und dem Behälter unterbrochen. Anhand des Anodenstromes lassen sich Rückschlüsse hinsichtlich der Email- und Wasserqualität, insbesondere der Leitfähigkeit des Wassers, sowie der Größe der eingesetzten Anode ziehen. Bei Erstinbetriebnahme des Speichers wird der Anodenstrom gemessen und als Anfangswert bzw. -werte gespeichert. Die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit überprüft den Verbrauchswert der Anode. Hierzu kann die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit den aktuellen Anodenschutzstrom ermitteln und diesen mit einem Wert vergleichen, welcher in der Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit gespeichert ist. Alternativ dazu kann der ermittelte Wert mit einem errechneten oberen und unteren Schwellwert verglichen werden. Wenn der ermittelte bzw. gemessene Wert den absoluten oder relativen Schwellwert überschreitet, dann lassen sich Rückschlüsse auf die Abnutzung der Anode sowie auf bestimmte Betriebszustände des Speichers ziehen.The Invention thus relates to the idea of a hot water tank with an enamelled steel container, an insulated one Provide anode and a Meßwerterfassungs- and evaluation. in this connection the anode current is measured with the anode facing the memory is designed isolated. During the measuring process becomes the connection between the anode and the container interrupted. On the basis of the anode current can be conclusions in terms of enamel and water quality, in particular the conductivity of the water, as well as the size pull the inserted anode. When first commissioning the memory the anode current is measured and stored as initial value (s). The measured value acquisition and evaluation unit checks the consumption value of the anode. For this purpose, the measured value acquisition and evaluation unit determine the current anode protection current and Compare this value with a value that is included in the measured value acquisition and evaluation is stored. Alternatively, the determined Value compared with a calculated upper and lower threshold become. If the determined or measured value is the absolute or relative threshold exceeds, then can draw conclusions the wear of the anode and certain operating conditions of the memory.
Weitere Ausgestaltungen der Erfindung sind Gegenstand der Unteransprüche.Further Embodiments of the invention are the subject of the dependent claims.
Ausführungsbeispiele und Vorteile der Erfindung werden nachstehend unter Bezugnahme auf die Zeichnung näher erläutert.embodiments and advantages of the invention will be described below with reference to FIGS Drawing explained in more detail.
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Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit, welche den Schalter
Alternativ bzw. zusätzlich dazu können die ermittelten Anodenschutzstromwerte mit einem errechneten bzw. berechneten oberen absoluten Schwellwert AOS und/oder einem unteren absoluten Schwellwert AUS verglichen werden. Wenn der ermittelte Anodenschutzstrom den oberen oder unteren Schwellwert unterschreitet, dann lässt sich anhand dieser Unter- bzw. Überschreitungen auf bestimmte Betriebszustände des Speichers schließen.alternative or in addition to this, the determined anode protection current values with a calculated or calculated upper absolute threshold AOS and / or a lower absolute threshold OFF become. When the detected anode protection current is upper or lower Threshold falls below, then can be determined by this Underflows or overshoots to certain operating conditions Close the memory.
Beispielsweise kann ein Trockengang des Speichers erfasst werden. Beim Trockengang des Speichers kann es vorkommen, dass kein Wasser in dem Speicher vorhanden ist. Somit glüht der Heizkörper des Speichers auf. Da kein Wasser in dem Speicher vorhanden ist, kann auch kein Anodenstrom fließen. Das Fehlen des Anodenstromes wird durch die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit erfasst und ein entsprechendes Warnsignal kann ausgegeben werden.For example a drying cycle of the storage tank can be detected. During the drying cycle It may happen that there is no water in the tank is available. Thus, the radiator of the glows Memory on. Since there is no water in the reservoir, can also no anode current flow. The absence of the anode current is detected by the measured value acquisition and evaluation unit and a corresponding warning signal can be output.
Ferner kann eine passivierte Anode erkannt werden. Eine Oxidschicht kann sich infolge einer Eigenkorrosion im Laufe der Zeit auf der Anode bilden, so dass die Anodenfunktion erlischt. Die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteelektronik kann diesen Zustand erfassen, wobei insbesondere der Verlauf des Anodenstromes über die Zeit gemessen wird und eine entsprechende Abnahme des Anoden stroms erfasst werden kann. Falls ein derartiger Zustand erreicht wird, dann kann die Messwert- und Auswerteeinheit ein entsprechendes Warnsignal ausgeben.Further a passivated anode can be detected. An oxide layer can due to self-corrosion over time on the anode form, so that the anode function goes out. The measured value acquisition and evaluation can detect this condition, in particular the course of the anode current is measured over time and a corresponding decrease of the anode current can be detected. If such a condition is reached, then the measured value and evaluation output a corresponding warning signal.
Des Weiteren kann ein Kurzschluss erfasst werden. Ein derartiger Kurzschluss kann erfolgen, wenn die Anode nicht mehr zu dem Behälter isoliert ist. Die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit kann diesen Zustand ebenfalls erfassen und ggf. ein Alarmsignal ausgeben.Of Furthermore, a short circuit can be detected. Such a short circuit can be done when the anode is no longer to the container is isolated. The measured value acquisition and evaluation unit can this Also detect condition and if necessary issue an alarm signal.
Beim Überschreiten eines oberen Schwellwertes, beispielsweise weil der Anodenstrom zu hoch ist, kann dies ebenfalls durch die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit bestimmt werden und ein entsprechendes Warnsignal kann ausgegeben werden. Ein zu hoher Anodenstrom kann beispielsweise dann auftreten, wenn die Leitfähigkeit des Wassers zu hoch ist oder wenn zu viele Fehlstellen in dem Email des Behälters vorhanden sind.When passing an upper threshold, for example, because the anode current is too high, this can also be done by the data acquisition and Evaluation unit to be determined and a corresponding warning signal can be issued. An excessively high anode current can be, for example then occur when the conductivity of the water is too high or if there are too many defects in the mail of the container available.
Wenn einer der oben beschriebenen Zustände auftritt, dann kann die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit den Fehler erkennen, einordnen (beispielsweise mittels Vergleich mit gespeicherten Schwellwerten) und kann eine Störmeldung ausgeben.If one of the states described above occurs, then the measured value acquisition and evaluation unit recognize the error, arrange (for example, by comparison with stored thresholds) and can issue a fault message.
Wenn der Anodenstrom einen relativen oder absoluten unteren Schwellwert unterschreitet, dann kann das einen Hinweise darstellen, dass die Anode gewechselt werden muss. Hierbei wird jedoch insbesondere der zeitliche Verlauf des Anodenstroms berücksichtigt, um festzustellen, ob die Anode verbraucht ist. Als Schwellwert zur Bestimmung, ob ein Anodenwechsel benötigt wird, kann ein absolut festgelegter Schwellwert oder ein relativer Schwellwert bezogen auf den relativen Abfall des Anodenstromes zum Ausgangsstromsignal bestimmt werden.If the anode current has a relative or absolute lower threshold falls below, then this can be a clue that the Anode needs to be changed. Here, however, in particular the taken into account the time course of the anode current to determine if the anode is used up. As a threshold to determine whether an anode change is needed, can be an absolutely fixed Threshold or a relative threshold relative to the relative Decay of the anode current to the output current signal can be determined.
Die Messwerterfassungs- und Auswerteeinheit kann den Anodenstrom in regelmäßigen Abständen automatisch überprüfen. Falls der absolute oder relative Schwellwert unterschritten wird, kann dieses Unterschreiten zur Anzeige gebracht werden.The Measured value acquisition and evaluation unit can measure the anode current in Check automatically at regular intervals. If the absolute or relative threshold is undershot, This undershoot can be displayed.
Nach einem Wechsel der Anode kann eine erneute Kalibrierung durchgeführt werden, wobei wiederum der Anodenstrom gemessen wird.To A change of the anode can be recalibrated be, in turn, the anode current is measured.
Der oben beschriebene Warmwasser-Speicher kann sowohl einen Behälter unter Druck als auch einen drucklosen Speicher aufweisen.Of the Hot water storage described above can both a container have under pressure and a non-pressurized storage.
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